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Old 11-08-2018, 07:01 PM
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Funny how Lori doesnít seem to have any regrets.
This answer in 2018?
Actually, she does have regrets, and even if not, she was under the age of consent. The story is so disgusting, David Bowie groomed her, took her virginity when she was just 14 and then passed her on to Jimmy Page. They both raped a child. And even if you want to see that as statutory rape, it's still a crime and was back then, too.
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:19 PM
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Jimmy Page is an actual bigger name than anyone in FM. him joining (which he would never even consider, planes or arenas notwithstanding) would never sit well with the diva ruling that roost right now.
Except, what else is he doing? Zeppelin isnít getting back together any time soon. Hell, he was in The Firm with Paul Rodgers, did an album and tour with David Coverdale, and did an album and tour with the Black Crowes. Of course heíd do it. Fleetwood Mac isnít beneath him.

As for Stevie, itís not like Page is a singer, so itís not like heíd steal her spotlight.
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:27 PM
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and yet people keep bringing up that stuff over and over and over on these boards.
Itís annoying. I try to stay out of that part of the discussions. Iíve blocked a lot of people -BOTH SIDES- on Facebook because they default to these cheap talking points.
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Old 11-08-2018, 07:37 PM
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This answer in 2018?
Actually, she does have regrets, and even if not, she was under the age of consent. The story is so disgusting, David Bowie groomed her, took her virginity when she was just 14 and then passed her on to Jimmy Page. They both raped a child. And even if you want to see that as statutory rape, it's still a crime and was back then, too.


Yeah, yeahÖLook, I couldnít care less about a groupie from before I was alive who said she didnít feel like a victim and wouldnít describe Page as a pedophile. It doesnít mean it wasnít absolutely wrong, but I just want to keep discussions to music and the music business. News flash: rockers were a-holes who lived like they were above the law from the gitgo, but especially during the Ď70s.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:14 PM
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MusiCares was announced July 19, 2017: https://www.grammy.com/musicares/new...es-person-year
And the earliest Classic date was July 15, 2017 (although it was announced in March, 2017).

This makes me think that once MusiCares was announced, Lindsey thought he had some bargaining power re the 2018 tour, because he assumed that the band would not break itself up after receiving such a major late-career honor.

Days after MusiCares, Stevie and Mick proceeded as planned.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:18 PM
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Yeah, yeah…Look, I couldn’t care less about a groupie from before I was alive who said she didn’t feel like a victim and wouldn’t describe Page as a pedophile. It doesn’t mean it wasn’t absolutely wrong, but I just want to keep discussions to music and the music business. News flash: rockers were a-holes who lived like they were above the law from the gitgo, but especially during the ‘70s.

there's a big difference between saying "I choose not to care about that" which is your right, to saying "It wasn't a big deal" because, basically, "rock stars were a-holes" so that made it ok, and the idea that comments from someone who was taken advantage of if not outright victimized but didn't realize it at the time because she was just a teenager and because it was normalized by the very deviants who were exploiting her justifies anything is nonsense. As an adult woman looking back she did realize it was wrong and said so.

From a male perspective I get that it is more easily dismissible but as a woman who was around during that time period I can tell you the whole system was set up to ignore the exploitation of those young girls.

I get that you don't care, and I agree that this forum should stay focused on FM and their music, but intentional or not your "I don't care" answer smacks of dismissiveness and male privilege and can't go uncommented upon.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:25 PM
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Hmmm. What makes you feel this way dreamsunwind?
He's one of the most famous great, great guitar players of all time. People put him right up at the top with Hendrix and Clapton. From one of the biggest great, great rock bands. Is there a band aside from The Beatles or The Stones that was bigger than Led Zeppelin? There's literally no reason to think he would have any interest in joining Fleetwood Mac and play a bunch of Lindsey Buckingham parts on their greatest hits tour when they're all 70. As much as I love the band, it would be beneath him lol.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:43 PM
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I'm sorry all this talk of Jimmy Page was kicked off by my aside "with Mike Campbell now available."

I realize now that I could have, without mentioning Campbell, left it at "they decided in November 2017 to fire Lindsey but couldn't make any move until after the Musicares event."

Jimmy Page hasn't toured in about 20 years. He has more money than Campbell and Finn put together x20 (at least).

There is no way he would have joined Fleetwood Mac.

Yes, they could have found someone other than Mike Campbell, but there is no way Jimmy Page would have joined.

Mick Taylor, formerly of the Rolling Stones, would perhaps have been a possibility, but Campbell (at least at this stage) is a better player.

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Old 11-08-2018, 08:52 PM
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"they decided in November 2017 to fire Lindsey but couldn't make any move until after the Musicares event."
i think that's very close to truth. if you find some actual proof of this, i'm sure Lindsey could put it to good use in his lawsuit!

Mick and Stevie were cavorting so much in the fall of 2017 and were seen all over the world together that people started being really curious about the new dynamic in FM when they regroup - with Mick & Stevie at one end and Lindsey & Christine at the other. but Mick & Stevie had something more sinister in mind beyond what anyone expected!
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:36 PM
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With the exception of the shows with the Black Crowes, Jimmy Page doesn't play other people's music, and even in those shows it was still mainly Zeppelin tunes. No way he would do Fleetwood Mac songs as the main thing, with just a few Zeppelin tunes thrown in.

Not in a million years.

If he ever comes out of his retirement (which is going on 20 years now), it will be with his own music.
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Old 11-08-2018, 11:27 PM
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Don Felder (formerly of the Eagles) would also have been a possibility had Mike Campbell not been available (though, on second thought, I doubt they could have worked that out given the bad blood between Felder and Irving Azoff).

I suspect Stevie or Irving Azoff put the feelers out to Mike Campbell in November 2017 as soon as Lindsey walked out of the band meeting where they could not agree on the tour schedule. Something like "If you were to get a call next year about joining, might you be interested?" When Mike said yes, the plan was hatched.

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Old 11-09-2018, 01:35 AM
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He's one of the most famous great, great guitar players of all time. People put him right up at the top with Hendrix and Clapton. From one of the biggest great, great rock bands. Is there a band aside from The Beatles or The Stones that was bigger than Led Zeppelin? There's literally no reason to think he would have any interest in joining Fleetwood Mac and play a bunch of Lindsey Buckingham parts on their greatest hits tour when they're all 70. As much as I love the band, it would be beneath him lol.


...and that was exactly my initial reaction.
Then you realise he's idle not though choice but because he doesn't have a band to play with. More than anything he wants to write/tour/record with Led Zep but Robert Plant isn't interested. He comes across as quite sad to no longer have that in his life. He's tried putting his own band together in recent times but it hasn't come off. Of course he doesn't need the money but I don't think the idea that its 'beneath him' would come into it. He just likes playing live music to big audiences. Not saying he'd definitely have said yes, but I think there's a decent chance.
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Old 11-09-2018, 01:58 AM
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He just likes playing live music to big audiences
Yes, but his own music.
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Old 11-09-2018, 02:24 AM
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Yes, but his own music.
I agree. Jimmy Page has a status to maintain. An image. A brand. Mike Campbell does as well, but to a MUCH lesser degree. Page is a f*cking ICON. As big as Old Goat Breath... bigger.
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Old 11-09-2018, 02:54 AM
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...and that was exactly my initial reaction.
Then you realise he's idle not though choice but because he doesn't have a band to play with. More than anything he wants to write/tour/record with Led Zep but Robert Plant isn't interested. He comes across as quite sad to no longer have that in his life. He's tried putting his own band together in recent times but it hasn't come off. Of course he doesn't need the money but I don't think the idea that its 'beneath him' would come into it. He just likes playing live music to big audiences. Not saying he'd definitely have said yes, but I think there's a decent chance.
I disagree, I don't think there would be any chance. He's Jimmy Page-- if he wants to go out and play he can go out on his own or form his own band or a supergroup or something. But he's not gonna hop onto the (sinking) ship of a band that is nowhere near the status of the group that he's synonymous with. That would be like if Mick and Keith got into some final fight and made it so that the Stones can never tour again so Mick goes and joins The Eagles. It would be bizarre.
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