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Old 08-07-2018, 04:12 PM
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Wow, isn’t Stevie on the new Sheryl Crow record?
Yes, Stevie is on the new Sheryl Crow album.
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:23 PM
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prob as a courtesy
they wont work together ever again.
just like stevie and sheryl

eta: and stevie and lindsey **sobs**


he was totally at her bday party ... not
So, if Stevie and Dave didn't have a fallout and Stevie worked on Sheryl Crow's album, she will probably work with Lindsey again.....

Nah, she truly got him fired.
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Old 08-09-2018, 05:19 AM
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I don't understand why everyone says ticket sales are bad for the tour. The venues are not selling out immediately like the Dance or On With The Show but they will be sold out or near sold out in many cities. I just checked the south Florida show and the arena is 3/4 sold and the concert is not for another 6 months. In 2013 the Mac cancelled their south Florida concert along with Montreal due to poor ticket sales. The following year in 2014 it sold out with Christine. Sales are brisk. Stevie just got off a sold out solo tour. Most of the people are Stevie fans who loyally fill the arena.
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Old 08-09-2018, 05:37 AM
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I don't understand why everyone says ticket sales are bad for the tour. The venues are not selling out immediately like the Dance or On With The Show but they will be sold out or near sold out in many cities. I just checked the south Florida show and the arena is 3/4 sold and the concert is not for another 6 months. In 2013 the Mac cancelled their south Florida concert along with Montreal due to poor ticket sales. The following year in 2014 it sold out with Christine. Sales are brisk. Stevie just got off a sold out solo tour. Most of the people are Stevie fans who loyally fill the arena.
Are you still on this false narrative? In the majority of markets ticket sales are off by 20% at a comparative time elapsed from the onsale date / prior to show date and that is at a 20% decrease in average price point.

This is not a disaster, everyone’s costs will be covered, but it is most definitely selling under expectations.
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Old 08-09-2018, 05:45 AM
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Are you still on this false narrative? In the majority of markets ticket sales are off by 20% at a comparative time elapsed from the onsale date / prior to show date and that is at a 20% decrease in average price point.

This is not a disaster, everyone’s costs will be covered, but it is most definitely selling under expectations.
NO, its NOT a false narrative which is why I brought it up.
20% off from what? Time elapsed? LMAO On with the show tour was announced and sold within a month of the first concert. These dates were announced over a half a year before the performance in many cities. No comparison there.
The bottom line is while they may not get On With The Show numbers, they will get Unleashed numbers (that tour cancelled shows but had very strong numbers in most cities). Don't forget, Unleashed was in the top 10 concert grosses of 2013.
You can scream FAKE NEWS all you want but the facts show otherwise. The tour is barely promoted since it has not even started yet. Stevie had worst pre-sales for 24k Gold and sold out the most arenas during her entire career which is why she kept extending the tour. We all laughed after the first month of ticket sales but sure enough the asses were in the seats and sold out. The only people that buy concert tickets 8 months before a concert are hardcore fans. The arena will be casual fans who are mostly there to see Stevie. Casual fans are not flocking to buy tickets to a concert half a year away. On with the show was like the Dance. It was a moment in time that cant be reproduced. The Dance was the band reuniting all 5 Rumours members. The Dance brought back Christine after 16 years. There is no new album and Lindsey is gone. Of course its not On with the show and those kind of ticket sales. You cant compare these tours. The Mac double backed over most US cities during On With the Show. Having said that, the tour will be very successful and not just "covering costs" as you pretend in your false narrative.
Even the chart that is provided has tickets a whopping $8 less than On with the show at the BBT Arena. OMG 8 whole dollars from the Mac's peak concert tour ever!!!
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Old 08-09-2018, 06:01 AM
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NO, its NOT a false narrative which is why I brought it up. Prices are higher than On With The Show too.
20% off from what? Time elapsed? LMAO On with the show tour was announced and sold within a month of the first concert. These dates were announced over a half a year before the performance in many cities. No comparison there.
The bottom line is while they may not get On With The Show numbers, they will get Unleashed numbers (that tour cancelled shows). Don't forget, Unleashed was in the top 10 concert grosses of 2013.
You can scream FAKE NEWS all you want but the facts show otherwise.
I am not going to debate this with you. Average ticket price is not higher and shows are less than 60 days out. We can cherry pick good markets and poor markets, but the average is what it is.

In my 21 years visiting the ledge I have neve posted fake news and used what information I have had access to give like minded fans a bit of additional insight. I am not a bomb thrower or a power poster, and always try to offer nuance in my posts. I will not be labeled a liar. I am fine going back underground as far as this forum again. Probably for the better given the vitriol contained within these circular threads.

I am right on this and not going to debate it anymore. Choose to believe what you want and enjoy the show!
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Old 08-09-2018, 06:29 AM
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I am not going to debate this with you. Average ticket price is not higher and shows are less than 60 days out. We can cherry pick good markets and poor markets, but the average is what it is.

In my 21 years visiting the ledge I have neve posted fake news and used what information I have had access to give like minded fans a bit of additional insight. I am not a bomb thrower or a power poster, and always try to offer nuance in my posts. I will not be labeled a liar. I am fine going back underground as far as this forum again. Probably for the better given the vitriol contained within these circular threads.

I am right on this and not going to debate it anymore. Choose to believe what you want and enjoy the show!
Its not a debate but you want to make it a debate. I doubt you would disagree On With The Show was the highpoint for Fleetwood Mac concerts. The ticket prices, the excitement of Christine, the long tour, double back on cities, the revenue, etc.
Many like yourself and the OP's posted chart is comparing apples and oranges. To compare this upcoming tour without Lindsey to the On With The Show tour is ridiculous. Even if Lindsey stayed in the band, I doubt they would be able to reproduce those kind of numbers and excitement. Nonetheless, my point takes issue with this comparison. I think most bands or concert promoters would be thrilled with a 3/4 sold arena and 7 months to go before the concert.
Without a doubt the tour will be successful. Most of the audience comes for Stevie and she always puts the asses in the seats. What I am saying is a no-brainer. What I take issue with is people saying ticket sales are poor or the tour will just cover costs.
That is completely not true. My feelings would be to not have a successful tour without Lindsey. But my feelings have nothing to do with reality. Its going to be a long and very successful tour and expect it to be in the top 10 concert grosses of 2019.
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Old 08-09-2018, 07:21 AM
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One final point and then I am out.

When the term “cover costs” is used it means all your expenses including band guarantees. The guarantees assure that the each band member will be well compensated for the tour. It is the promoters who make less or suffer losses if the tour revenues don’t meet expectations. Band just loses potential bonus income on the revenue beyond expection or potenatial multiple night stands or 2nd and 3rd routings as promoters won’t risk it, unless guarantees are reduced to be more in line with actual revenues.
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One final point and then I am out.

When the term “cover costs” is used it means all your expenses including band guarantees. The guarantees assure that the each band member will be well compensated for the tour. It is the promoters who make less or suffer losses if the tour revenues don’t meet expectations. Band just loses potential bonus income on the revenue beyond expection or potenatial multiple night stands or 2nd and 3rd routings as promoters won’t risk it, unless guarantees are reduced to be more in line with actual revenues.
John Run, I am sorry this poster is being so disrespectful towards you. I think anyone with discernment can see you are someone who actually has knowledge in this area and does not have an agenda. Certainly those of us who have been around know this.

The ignorant will always call the informed liars when the facts don't suit their narrative, regardless of all evidence to the contrary. They are also the most shrill and aggressive, sadly. "The worst are full of passionate intensity" as Yeats said. He preceded that with "The best lack all conviction" because, in part, of how often those in the right let the worst dominate.

While I think it's fine to leave this "debate" because you've proven your point, I hope you do not let this poster drive you away from the Ledge entirely.
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:39 AM
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One final point and then I am out.

When the term “cover costs” is used it means all your expenses including band guarantees. The guarantees assure that the each band member will be well compensated for the tour. It is the promoters who make less or suffer losses if the tour revenues don’t meet expectations. Band just loses potential bonus income on the revenue beyond expection or potenatial multiple night stands or 2nd and 3rd routings as promoters won’t risk it, unless guarantees are reduced to be more in line with actual revenues.
I agree completely.

Promoters probably need to see 75% capacity(or more) to even break even. Before the promoter even makes a penny. So yes, they're going to be much less likely to book multiple dates in a market, or "iffy" markets.

So yes, the band will get paid, but if the promoters don't? They're not doing it because they're fans. It's their business, and they're not going to be happy about getting f*cked.
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Old 08-09-2018, 09:46 AM
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John Run, I am sorry this poster is being so disrespectful towards you. I think anyone with discernment can see you are someone who actually has knowledge in this area and does not have an agenda. Certainly those of us who have been around know this.

The ignorant will always call the informed liars when the facts don't suit their narrative, regardless of all evidence to the contrary. They are also the most shrill and aggressive, sadly. "The worst are full of passionate intensity" as Yeats said. He preceded that with "The best lack all conviction" because, in part, of how often those in the right let the worst dominate.

While I think it's fine to leave this "debate" because you've proven your point, I hope you do not let this poster drive you away from the Ledge entirely.
Well put, Nancy, thank you, I fully agree with Nancy, John Run. Please stay around
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One final point and then I am out.

When the term “cover costs” is used it means all your expenses including band guarantees. The guarantees assure that the each band member will be well compensated for the tour. It is the promoters who make less or suffer losses if the tour revenues don’t meet expectations. Band just loses potential bonus income on the revenue beyond expection or potenatial multiple night stands or 2nd and 3rd routings as promoters won’t risk it, unless guarantees are reduced to be more in line with actual revenues.
But if it turns out to be a great show, which it actually has the potential to be then it will sell. It's way too early to call it a failure.
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I cant believe writing a post about the obvious would lead to such a wild response accusing me of an agenda, promoting a false narrative, and even more surprising being disrespectful. Huh?
Some of you are very brash writers in this forum. That is not usually me.
Lets clear things up if I can but sadly truth does not matter these days. People believe alternative facts because their feelings tell them so.
So lets stick to 100% indisputable facts.
First me pushing an agenda. I am not seeing this upcoming Mac tour and went on the record about it. I was one of the more vocal writers around here when Lindsey was fired. The band is in my town on my birthday and I am not going. Nothing would make me happier than to see the upcoming tour a complete failure. So all you wild cats out there thinking I am cheering for a successful tour are wrong and all of my statements over the past year are consistent on this. I used to take the flames on this board for not even calling Finn by his name and called him the "Crowded House guy."
Next....I have scanned Ticketmaster out of curiosity and the sales are not fantastic but brisk and well above average and see signs of full or near sold out arenas by concert day. Oh how dare I saw this. Off with my head!
Now the most obvious part is Stevie doing her mini solo stuff on stage. Stevie just had her most successful solo tour selling out arenas everywhere. HELLO people. These fans will be at the show. Every Mac tour Stevie has participated in did pretty good. She kept the fans there in 1987 when Lindsey left and she kept the fans there after Say You Will when Christine left. This is why Mick picked Stevie over Lindsey. Oh gosh I said that too. Off with my head! How dare I go there! And so disrespectful to say it. Next point is falsely comparing this upcoming tour to OWTS. Not right to do because that tour was the reuniting of the 5 Rumours era members just like the Dance was. Would it not be a better comparison to 1987 or 2012-2013? Of course it would. How dare I point out the obvious again.

For anyone to say the tour wont be successful is wrong and not living in reality. Case in point. We just went through this 2 years ago with Stevie's 24k Gold tour. Read the posts on here. We all mocked the pre-sale, and constantly posted photos Ticketmaster blue dots in arenas. I was on that bandwagon how no one cared about 24k Gold and no way she could fill arenas anymore. You see, I am strong enough to admit when I was wrong. And I was 100% wrong.

I know there is still anger about Lindsey's firing but you cant let it warp your common sense. I still cant believe American Idol was a successful TV show. But just because I don't believe it does not make it true. This upcoming tour ticket prices are certainly more expensive than Unleashed and at this point the sales are similar to Unleashed. Unleashed made a ton of money even cancelling Montreal and South Florida due to poor ticket sales. If my memory is correct, Unleashed finished in the top 10 concert gross for the year.

There is nothing to debate especially since the tour has not even started yet. There is no disrespect of anyone. Some take things way too personal. However you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. The Stand Back crowd will be there in all their glory. And yes believe it or not, its still a very large group
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But if it turns out to be a great show, which it actually has the potential to be then it will sell. It's way too early to call it a failure.
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But, compared to which. And even if it is a halfway, somewhat still decent concert, as far as concerts go, although it would have to be STELLAR for those ticket prices, IMHO, it'll not be a Fleetwood Mac concert. It'll be a cover band in which some (and not always the best) members of the actual band, also play along. Alright, I'll call a spade a spade, and mean, IMO, Stevie not being the best one of the actuals.

And then, if it were a mind-blowingly good show! as far as concerts go! Then, still, the drama that preceded it will leave a very nasty aftertaste. Or should. Injustice is injustice, no matter how you spin things. And I'll personally not ever condone it nor support it with even a penny.
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John Run, I am sorry this poster is being so disrespectful towards you. I think anyone with discernment can see you are someone who actually has knowledge in this area and does not have an agenda. Certainly those of us who have been around know this.

The ignorant will always call the informed liars when the facts don't suit their narrative, regardless of all evidence to the contrary. They are also the most shrill and aggressive, sadly. "The worst are full of passionate intensity" as Yeats said. He preceded that with "The best lack all conviction" because, in part, of how often those in the right let the worst dominate.

While I think it's fine to leave this "debate" because you've proven your point, I hope you do not let this poster drive you away from the Ledge entirely.
I agree, thanks Nancy. Couple posts from John Run are a nice change of tone.
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