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Old 06-17-2013, 11:57 AM
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I think her use of metaphors and other references in 'Liar' is interesting:

IMO, the song is definitely about Eddie:

How to read the Jack of Hearts:

Traditionally the Jack of Hearts is a card of romance. In some of the older cartomancy meanings he represents a lazy, immature, emotionally insecure young man; or simply the thoughts of the Queen or King of Hearts. Although Jacks can represent young people of either sex, the Jack of Hearts is most often read as a young male.

The Jack of Hearts is a young person of either sex with whom the querent feels an emotional bond or attachment. This card can represent a child of either sex, a male family member such as a son or son-in-law, brother, cousin, etc. The Jack of Hearts can also indicate a boyfriend, a male lover, or close male friend.

The J♥ can be an actor or an artist. He can be a writer of poetry, or just a student of the arts.

Source http://cartomancy.wordpress.com/2007...ack-of-hearts/

I always thought the "clown" lyric was a reference to the Everly Brothers song 'Cathy's Clown'...

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Old 06-17-2013, 04:28 PM
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Liar has really grown on me recently!! I can't believe it either. I completely understand exactly what she means in the lyrics.
If you can empathize with the lyrics in liar then that means things aren't going that well romantically! LOL. Hope that's not the case.
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Liar has really grown on me recently!! I can't believe it either. I completely understand exactly what she means in the lyrics.
Wasn't Liar about EQ?? I always thought it was??
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Old 06-17-2013, 06:12 PM
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If you can empathize with the lyrics in liar then that means things aren't going that well romantically! LOL. Hope that's not the case.
I had a relationship in the past around 2005 that fell under that umbrella. Thanks for the concern, it means a lot.
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Wasn't Liar about EQ?? I always thought it was??
It was either about him, or her new boyfriend after him. I'm of course speculating.
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I think her use of metaphors and other references in 'Liar' is interesting:
The use of metaphors itself is fine and I would have welcomed unique ones. This song just contains a lot of cliched phrases. When you take one and put a spin on it, it's hooky. I have no problem with Heart of Stone, but when you throw several hackneyed words into one song, it begins to sound like lazy writing to me and the music doesn't do anything to transcend the weak lyrics.

I think Liar is catchy enough though, but disappointingly trite. A woman who has used the words "woo me until the sun comes up, then you say that you love me" to imply lying (and her feelings about knowingly being lied to) so beautifully, pains me with Jack of Hearts, shining knight, heart of darkness, walls came tumbling down, roll of the dice, clowns. It's like someone knocked her on the head with a thick volume of adages. I wish someone would have treated the concussion.

Then, we had 2 other songs with schlocky background vocals that would have fit on a 1972 sitcom. But then you had 9 other songs that held their own. Some were good and some were great. Two were some of the best of Christine's career. So, on balance, pretty good album.

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It's like someone knocked her on the head with a thick volume of adages.
Michele
Haha!! I pictured this like in a Family Guy ep...
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It was either about him, or her new boyfriend after him. I'm of course speculating.
I thought it was about the guy she had recently split up with in 2004. She said in her interviews that generally most of the songs were about her feelings as that relationship ran its course.

I like Liar.

Michele - which songs on ITM do you think are her best?
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I thought it was about the guy she had recently split up with in 2004. She said in her interviews that generally most of the songs were about her feelings as that relationship ran its course.

I like Liar.

Michele - which songs on ITM do you think are her best?
Yes, I believe so Ulpian. My memory is fuzzy is all.
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Michele - which songs on ITM do you think are her best?
I like all of them except Bad Journey and Easy Come, Easy Go.

Calumny, Northern Star and Friend are my favorites.

I don't dislike Liar. I just think the lyrics are really cheesy.

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Old 06-18-2013, 02:46 PM
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I like all of them except Bad Journey and Easy Come, Easy Go.

Calumny, Northern Star and Friend are my favorites.

I don't dislike Liar. I just think the lyrics are really cheesy.

Michele
I like So Sincere, You Are, Friend, Liar, Calumny and Northern Star.

I am glad to hear that Mick says she is writing again and "back in the world". God knows what has prompted this, but let's hope she releases something new!
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I like So Sincere, You Are, Friend, Liar, Calumny and Northern Star.

I am glad to hear that Mick says she is writing again and "back in the world". God knows what has prompted this, but let's hope she releases something new!
I just have this feeling another album will come. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I just have the feeling.

My favorite ITM songs are Forgiveness, Calumny, Bad Journey, and the acoustic version of Friend. But I love the whole thing, even Easy Come but only because the vocal is so strong.
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I haven't been able to find the acoustic version of Friend anywhere. Can someone upload it for me, please?
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My favs are Bad Journey, Anything is Possible, You Are, Friend, Calumny, So Sincere, Northern Star, Forgiveness, Givin it Back, Liar (getting there)

then Easy Come Easy Go, Sweet Revenge.. ehhhh


Pretty damn good album..
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I really like Come Out to Play as well... lest not forget...
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