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strandinthewind · #16 01-20-2004, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by gldstwmn
I would love to see a Bush/Kerry debate too.

Interestingly. Al Gore was supposed to be known for his debating skills, yet he did not slam W in any way and I though Gore choked in the debates. So, hopefully, Kerry will do better.

GypsySorcerer · #17 01-20-2004, 06:13 PM

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As for the other issues, you are quite correct. But the reason Bush has had such an easy time of screwing things up is because the groundwork was lain by the Clinton administration. Much much that was not truly in the tradition of Democratic values went on in the Clinton years. I will mention the disregard for the environment and the dismantling of antitrust regulations. And I won't even go into the atrocious welfare bill. I literally shake when I think of it. Bush Sr. passed more liberal policies than Clinton. But, hey, the economy was good during the Clinton years, no thanks to him but to a little thing called the Internet, so no one was paying attention. The idiot Republicans (I'm referring specifically to idiot Republicans, not implying all are idiots) happily played along by distracting us with investigations into quaint sex scandals.

BRAVO!!!

I agree with you 100%. I'm a registered Republican and I did not vote in 2000 -- I could not bring myself to vote for either Gore OR Bush. I nearly voted Browne, but I did not. Your post makes me regret I didn't.

This country desperately needs a major 3rd party to shake up this ridiculous deadlock that both parties are contributing to.

gldstwmn · #18 01-20-2004, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by strandinthewind
Interestingly. Al Gore was supposed to be known for his debating skills, yet he did not slam W in any way and I though Gore choked in the debates. So, hopefully, Kerry will do better.

Weren't the debates part of Al's perception problem though?

gldstwmn · #19 01-20-2004, 06:16 PM

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[BThis country desperately needs a major 3rd party to shake up this ridiculous deadlock that both parties are contributing to. [/B]

I agree with you. Who's a contender?

dissention · #20 01-20-2004, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by darklinensuit
I agree, but just out of curosity, why do you think it won't be Clark winning the nomination? Sorry if you've already explained this.

- Jake

Clark has no domestic experience and I don't think his status as a general will be enough to sustain much momentum. The new polls are in and Clark is at 19%, while Kerry is at 20%; they've flip-flopped. While this doesn't say a whole lot, history has shown that the winner of the Iowa caucuses usually wins NH. I just don't think the entire party will rally behind Clark; he is not the man who can beat Bush. He's got diaharrea of the mouth and just says the first thing to pop into his mind, whether or not it contradicts anything he said previously or if it doesn't make any sense. Also, he isn't a real Democrat, just like Dean isn't; they're both Republicans. Clark has been a Democrat for only three months.

strandinthewind · #21 01-20-2004, 06:18 PM

Clinton did not win Iowa and it was either Carter or W that also did not.

strandinthewind · #22 01-20-2004, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by gldstwmn
I agree with you. Who's a contender?

Sadly no one. But, with the way the electoral system works, it is possible for a third party to build up support in non key states that no one pays attantion to, e.g. the Dakotas, and then they could spring forth from there. Jesse V. was a good example of this, but he chose to retire.

gldstwmn · #23 01-20-2004, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by strandinthewind
Clinton did not win Iowa and it was either Carter or W that also did not.

Carter won Iowa. Senator McCain won Iowa in'00 I think.

gldstwmn · #24 01-20-2004, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by strandinthewind
Sadly no one. But, with the way the electoral system works, it is possible for a third party to build up support in non key states that no one pays attantion to, e.g. the Dakotas, and then they could spring forth from there. Jesse V. was a good example of this, but he chose to retire.

Agreed. Isn't that what Nader was trying to do last time until the whole thing got so convoluted? BTW I think former governor Ventura has some kind of Parkinson's. He shakes.

dissention · #25 01-20-2004, 06:21 PM

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Carter won Iowa. Senator McCain won Iowa in'00 I think.

I think the reason McCain didn't win NH was because he wasn't well known to them. Kerry and Dean are, so I think one of them will win, but my money's on Kerry. Clark doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell.

dissention · #26 01-20-2004, 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by gldstwmn
BTW I think former governor Ventura has some kind of Parkinson's. He shakes.

I think Charlie Gibson has it, too.

gldstwmn · #27 01-20-2004, 06:25 PM

Part of the thrid party problem is the money. Until they take the money out of our electoral system, I don't think any third party candidate can raise enough money to be viable.

gldstwmn · #28 01-20-2004, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by dissention
I think Charlie Gibson has it, too.

Really? I stopped watching morning television after September 11.

dissention · #29 01-20-2004, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by gldstwmn
Really? I stopped watching morning television after September 11.

I only watch GMA. Today makes me vomit and the Early Show should be earlier...so I can't see it.

Yeah, Gibson shakes like a madman. It drives me bonkers.

CarneVaca · #30 01-20-2004, 08:21 PM

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I think he could turn this country around and I think he could bring prosperity back to our country.

Do you honestly believe that presidents are responsible for the country's prosperity or lack thereof?