Brett Tuggle Dishes the details to Rolling Stone

[elle]

Originally Posted by David

What an awful feeling that must have been. Imagine standing in the rehearsal hall with your longtime colleagues and knowing that something under the surface was amiss. Have you ever been fired from a job and not been directly told until after several other people already knew? It’s that awful feeling of the ax about to fall but you haven’t been told it’s falling on your neck. It’s a rotten, rotten thing to do to people. Why allow Brett to attend a rehearsal if you’re only going to can him? Why not be decent and call him beforehand so that he can hang on to a shred of dignity and not appear in person? So that he isn’t standing in a room full of acquaintances getting ready to play, thinking that he’s supposed to be playing, too?

I can understand caring for these people musically, but personally? How can you? Hypocrisy is what enrages me more than one-off cruelty or avarice. How can Mick and Stevie stand on a concert stage and lecture us about “taking care of one another” and being kind to everyone — and then shaft people close to them over and over? What kind of delusion drives that degree of disconnect? How can anyone preach kindness after every concert and in every interview and then shoot the mule out from under dozens of coworkers over the years? Where do they get off with the didacticism, painting themselves as enlightened moral beacons? Makes me sick! I say to Mick and Stevie and the others: Do whatever you want politically to people in that band, but shut up about how lovely you are. You’re a sleaze, just like the rest of us down here in the mud.

Meanwhile, though, Dreams is the no. 1 song in the country. Again. I feel as if all my dreams were coming true.

in the other thread about the original article, someone mentioned rumors at the time that Brett said something to them - that what they were doing wasn't right..... and that sealed his faith. original article has Brett's quote about heartbroken he was at that rehearsal and how wrong they sounded.

remember also at the time, we've heard that Lindsey was considering flying out to Hawaii to try convince them to reconsider. i think Lindsey even mentioned that in one of his RS interviews, and said he ultimately decided not to go, that it would be futile. maybe Brett was hoping he can make them see the light.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by elle

remember also at the time, we've heard that Lindsey was considering flying out to Hawaii to try convince them to reconsider. i think Lindsey even mentioned that in one of his RS interviews, and said he ultimately decided not to go, that it would be futile. maybe Brett was hoping he can make them see the light.

Yeah I'm sure that Lindsey understood that it would be useless considering Mick's boundless avarice and Stevie's vendetta ..this has to make her one of the most treacherous villains in the history of rock bands.

[elle]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

Fleetwood Mac Got Caught Between Stevie Nicks, Lindsey Buckingham | https://ultimateclassicrock.com/flee...edium=referral

what's interesting about this article is that they excised all the parts that made clear the wrongs that Stevie and Mick did to Lindsey without any reason, including Brett's description of the "new" band feeling just so wrong, and instead they just left in parts that make it look like Lindsey is actually guilty of something and poor Brett was erroneously put in Lindsey's camp and pulled down with him.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

OMG really?

Stevie played hardball and left the band after 1990. She came crawling back to the band when her solo career tanked. Street Angel went cardboard and she was playing theaters and the Ohio Fair. She also was touring on a bus....something she never did in her solo career before.
Why would you disbelieve what she is saying? She has always hinted how awkward her solo career was with the Mac. So she is being honest in how she believes they felt. Why do they need to compliment her and not vice versa? We heard the Mirage tour rehearsals where Lindsey was playing Edge of 17 and they even played Leather and Lace. Stevie even brought her solo songs into the Mac set. Is that NOT the biggest compliment? Or should they just bow their heads and keep telling her how wonderful she is over and over? Better yet....how about a bed of roses as she walks on stage.

I think you misunderstood what I said. I was saying that Fleetwood Mac not respecting her career and not getting Silver Springs were BS excuses she gave for leaving the band. Given Stand Back and HAEWAFY were in the setlist shows they obviously respected her career.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Newzchspy

Lindsey's lawsuit says it all and does so very well. Let's be clear that Fleetwood Mac is not the same without !Lindsey. No disrespect to Neil and Mike, but they are NOT Lindsey.

Judging by the original setlist, I think that was kind of the point.

This one quote from Variety sums it up for me: " After Buckingham’s departure from Fleetwood Mac in 1987, the Band’s fortunes and popularity declined precipitously.” The lawsuit is not a big fan of the Dave Mason/Billy Burnette/Bekka Bramlett years.".

Yeah, and OOTC caught the world’s attention, what, peaking at #128 and all...

Funny how the article mentions one band mate willing to replace an ill John McVie in 2015 with a session player. I can only think of one person willing to do that, but he beats to an entirely different drum. For him, it's always been about the $$, nothing more or less.

Just for a leg. It wouldn’t have been a permanent thing. I doubt McVie would have had an issue. Remember who was coming back?

The morning his cancer was announced began with a video of the band leaving the hotel for the venue the night before. Christine (still NOT in the band, and not performing) was the last one to leave. It seemed that her return was imminent (and it was). Do you think Christine would accept a different bassist full time if John was healthy enough???

Really???

She even admits, even now, that when the band is not touring that each member has very little communication with the other, if at all.

So? Hell, I rarely contact friends or family these days. Not because I don’t care, but because I don’t have anything going on worthy of a call because of this effing pandemic. Plus, Neil, Mike, and Mick have other projects they’re focusing on, too.

[Newzchspy]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

So? Hell, I rarely contact friends or family these days. Not because I don’t care, but because I don’t have anything going on worthy of a call because of this effing pandemic. Plus, Neil, Mike, and Mick have other projects they’re focusing on, too.

You entirely missed the point. There are many on here who believe in the divine reconciliation of Stevie and Lindsey and have for years. I've always been an outlier, believing that they essentially despise one another. Seems that from what Stevie has said recently and Lindsey's lawsuit two years ago I was correct. Hell hasn't frozen over, but I don't ever see those two on the stage together again. Stevie f'd up a perfectly good business relationship.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Newzchspy

You entirely missed the point. There are many on here who believe in the divine reconciliation of Stevie and Lindsey and have for years. I've always been an outlier, believing that they essentially despise one another. Seems that from what Stevie has said recently and Lindsey's lawsuit two years ago I was correct. Hell hasn't frozen over, but I don't ever see those two on the stage together again. Stevie f'd up a perfectly good business relationship.

Oh, I agree. I gagged at “Landslide” in 1997 and thought it was all an act. Aside from Christine being my favorite Fleetwood Mac singer/songwriter, I was thrilled with her return because I couldn’t deal with the Stevie/Lindsey drama anymore.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Newzchspy

You entirely missed the point. There are many on here who believe in the divine reconciliation of Stevie and Lindsey and have for years. I've always been an outlier, believing that they essentially despise one another. Seems that from what Stevie has said recently and Lindsey's lawsuit two years ago I was correct. Hell hasn't frozen over, but I don't ever see those two on the stage together again. Stevie f'd up a perfectly good business relationship.

He should never go back. It would be so STUPID now if they did all the hand holding, etc. It was stupid before!
I'll never understand HOW he could want to stand on stage with her again. Would his tail be completely tucked into his ass crack, or would he just go ahead and get it cut off? I mean SERIOUSLY???
She publicly HUMILIATED him, and he'd go back and stand there with her?

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Oh, I agree. I gagged at “Landslide” in 1997 and thought it was all an act. Aside from Christine being my favorite Fleetwood Mac singer/songwriter, I was thrilled with her return because I couldn’t deal with the Stevie/Lindsey drama anymore.

It was becoming so dull and stale. But, they had new fans that really thought it was real. A lot of new fans came on board at this time and they liked the soap opera more than anything else.

I think FM knocked Puff Daddy out of the #1 slot with The Dance.

[lovethemac1]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

40 years later, more relevant than ever

Hahahahaha, AWESOME!!!!

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Yeah, and OOTC caught the world’s attention, what, peaking at #128 and all...

Really a bitter comment. It's mean to any artist that doesn't make tons of money off album sales.

You sound like you think Lindsey is a nobody. Why did NIN have him at the Grammys? Dave Grohl called Stevie "Lindsey Buckingham's girl."

Behind the Mask Tour visited the Trump Taj 5,000 seat ballroom. When Lindsey came back, they played either the 14,000 seat Boardwalk Hall or the 12,000 seat open field at Borgata.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Really a bitter comment. It's mean to any artist that doesn't make tons of money off album sales.

Lindsey went out of his way to highlight Fleetwood Mac’s lack of success without him in the lawsuit. I’m showing that it works both ways.

Lindsey’s six solo albums sold less than the six albums Fleetwood Mac recorded prior to his involvement, and that’s after Rumours and after he had three Top Ten songs. His highest charting solo album, L&O, peaked at #32 while HAHTF peaked at #34 and BTM #18. Meanwhile, Bella Donna outsold Tusk and Mirage. Mick could legitimately say that Lindsey never had a Top Ten hit without him.

Behind the Mask Tour visited the Trump Taj 5,000 seat ballroom. When Lindsey came back, they played either the 14,000 seat Boardwalk Hall or the 12,000 seat open field at Borgata.

And, in 2017, LBCM was playing 4,000 seat amphitheaters while Stevie was packing 20,000 seat arenas.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Lindsey went out of his to highlight Fleetwood Mac’s lack of success without him in the lawsuit. I’m showing that it works both ways.

Lindsey’s six solo albums sold less than the six albums Fleetwood Mac recorded prior to his involvement, and that’s after Rumours and after he had three Top Ten songs. His highest charting solo album, L&O, peaked at #32 while HAHTF peaked at #34 and BTM #18. Meanwhile, Bella Donna outsold Tusk and Mirage. Mick could legitimately say that Lindsey never had a Top Ten hit without him.


And, in 2017, LBCM was playing 4,000 seat amphitheaters while Stevie was packing 20,000 seat arenas.

Lindsey's contributions to Fleetwood Mac and the impact upon the band's success has nothing to do with his solo career. The fact is that the band lacked the same degree of success during the years he wasn't in it. The members of Fleetwood Mac were not removed from Lindsey's solo orbit so the comparison is ridiculous.

And for the love of God, Stevie only "sold out" 20k seats in 2017 because of The Pretenders. She was never selling out arenas on her own in 2017.

Your ability to contort every single piece of data to fit some ridiculous anti-Lindsey, pro-Stevie position is really uncanny.

This fivesome is better together. They were in 1975....1982...1997...2014...you name the year, when these five get together, they make each other better.

[UnwindedDreams]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Mick could legitimately say that Lindsey never had a Top Ten hit without him.


And, in 2017, LBCM was playing 4,000 seat amphitheaters while Stevie was packing 20,000 seat arenas.

Convenient for you to leave out the points about Dave Grohl and NIN. As if one's legacy and musical contributions don't mean anything. It's just all about how high a record charts. Did Desperado chart high?

With your thinking, it can be said that Holiday Road wasn't a Top Ten Hit yet it could be more well known that Edge, Stand Back, Talk to Me, or Stop Draggin'.
Countless TV commercials and inclusion in a classic film.

You should take a look at the Billboard attendance for Stevie's 24 Tour. Sure, it's great she made a lot of money in ticket sales and sold out The Forum and MSG which Lindsey could not do on his own happily for you.
You'll notice a lot of 7k and 8k numbers in the data. They're not Streisand or Cher numbers. When she didn't have the Pretenders, she played small cities like Green Bay, Youngstown, and St. Charles.


Lindsey also played solo the Sands which Stevie played on the 24k Tour. It's a theater.

When was the last time you saw Stevie solo? I went to plenty of Stevie shows in the 2000s where they were not even close to sold out. Two of them my friends walked into the theater when the show was still going on without tickets.

You don't post with impartiality. Your displeasure for Lindsey is as striking as coyote piss.

[Nicks Fan]

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

Convenient for you to leave out the points about Dave Grohl and NIN. As if one's legacy and musical contributions don't mean anything. It's just all about how high a record charts. Did Desperado chart high?

With your thinking, it can be said that Holiday Road wasn't a Top Ten Hit yet it could be more well known that Edge, Stand Back, Talk to Me, or Stop Draggin'.
Countless TV commercials and inclusion in a classic film.

You should take a look at the Billboard attendance for Stevie's 24 Tour. Sure, it's great she made a lot of money in ticket sales and sold out The Forum and MSG which Lindsey could not do on his own happily for you.
You'll notice a lot of 7k and 8k numbers in the data. They're not Streisand or Cher numbers. When she didn't have the Pretenders, she played small cities like Green Bay, Youngstown, and St. Charles.


Lindsey also played solo the Sands which Stevie played on the 24k Tour. It's a theater.

When was the last time you saw Stevie solo? I went to plenty of Stevie shows in the 2000s where they were not even close to sold out. Two of them my friends walked into the theater when the show was still going on without tickets.

You don't post with impartiality. Your displeasure for Lindsey is as striking as coyote piss.

I saw Melissa Etheridge at the sands in 2012 and I recall correctly it seats 2500.

Plus remember on 2011-2012 tour she played the Fox theatre in Detroit, the Seneca Falls casino in Niagara Falls and one of the casinos in either Norman or Thackerville OK.

I would like to see Stevie book an arena tour with no opener and we can see how many tickets she sells. I don’t think she would fill up a 20,000 seat arena like Tina did in 2008 on her last tour.

Lindsey’s solo career wasn’t red hot in the 90’s but his comments were correct re FM. They had a top 40 album and 1 top 40 single but they were not exactly selling millions of records and while they did play some big venues they did play some small venues and or smaller markets like Bethlehem PA at Stabler Arena.

As for the last tour it did well but nothing compared to some of their previous tours and if they go out on the road again people likely wouldn’t care because they saw this lineup once and with no new product likely not much interest.

I really hope though that Lindsey doesn’t go back. I know why he wants to but at the same time the band really screwed him and don’t deserve him back.