Fleetwood Mac - September 1,1980 - Los Angeles, CA - Hollywood Bowl torrent

HomerMcvie · #1 03-30-2022, 09:14 PM

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It is really sad. In the 80's (after Mirage and CMcVie shows). I was chasing that live magic they had in the era you speak of. Then, LB leaves after Tango, and when he gets back, they are quite muted and contrived.

I felt a little of that magic at the BuckVie show. But, it's gone forever.

It's gone for all major bands now. Everyone plays with tracks and backing singers(the tracks would be too obvious without them). 90% of major bands are phonies, now.

I'd like to kill whoever decided that bands had to sound exactly like the records. Probably that bastard Azoff!

SteveMacD · #2 03-30-2022, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

It's gone for all major bands now. Everyone plays with tracks and backing singers(the tracks would be too obvious without them). 90% of major bands are phonies, now.

I'd like to kill whoever decided that bands had to sound exactly like the records. Probably that bastard Azoff!

Hence my "I won't see Fleetwood Mac, Lindsey Buckingham, or Stevie Nicks again unless Christine McVie comes back! Jesus, is Robert Pollard playing anywhere around here..." moment of clarity.

I'd rather see a band suck than wonder if it was live or Memorex.

Macfan4life · #3 03-31-2022, 02:55 AM

Funny cause I dont disagree with what anyone posted. However why is it just me that is not crazy about The Dance. Lindsey back and everyone back was a treat but the music was so studio like and I missed the raw, live sound. I would even paint with a broader brush and this is the same reason I am not crazy about Tango In The Night. Its just too programmed slick 80s sound.

HomerMcvie · #4 03-31-2022, 09:09 AM

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Funny cause I dont disagree with what anyone posted. However why is it just me that is not crazy about The Dance. Lindsey back and everyone back was a treat but the music was so studio like and I missed the raw, live sound. I would even paint with a broader brush and this is the same reason I am not crazy about Tango In The Night. Its just too programmed slick 80s sound.

I agree on both. Mirage is the last time they were a BAND. Then the FM orchestra took over.

Less is more.

BigAl84 · #5 03-31-2022, 10:46 AM

This might be an unpopular opinion - I think The Dance tour was the last time that the band could have performed without all of the extra musicians.

From 2003 onward, I think some of the extra musicians helped round the rough edges that were clearly there and they helped keep the energy up. Could they still pare it down a little bit? Absolutely.

**jbrownsjr** · #6 03-31-2022, 12:14 PM

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This might be an unpopular opinion - I think The Dance tour was the last time that the band could have performed without all of the extra musicians.

From 2003 onward, I think some of the extra musicians helped round the rough edges that were clearly there and they helped keep the energy up. Could they still pare it down a little bit? Absolutely.

I agree. I think they were super worried about NOT sounding on par during the Dance. Instead of just going for it.

BigAl84 · #7 03-31-2022, 02:16 PM

I love those dance rehearsal clips of them performing GYOW and YMLF, it appears to be just the 5 of them....and they sound great.

Macfan4life · #8 03-31-2022, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAl84

This might be an unpopular opinion - I think The Dance tour was the last time that the band could have performed without all of the extra musicians.

From 2003 onward, I think some of the extra musicians helped round the rough edges that were clearly there and they helped keep the energy up. Could they still pare it down a little bit? Absolutely.

I agree but this was an era of controlled sound. Many of us were shocked when Christine leaked several years ago that the Clinton inauguration ball was a pre-recorded track. They pretended to play instruments to the track but sung it live.
The technology of the 90s really took over and bands seemed to embrace the studio sound over the arena rock golden days. I was disappointed in 1987 when I saw Stevie's back up singers microphones being set up. Not one but THREE of them.
Speaking of unpopular opinions I probably have the biggest one. I preferred the 1990 concert to the Dance. Of course I prefer Lindsey over Billy and Rick but 1990 still had the arena rock sound vs the controlled studio sound of The Dance. I felt guilty leaving the Dance concert in 1997 to feel this way. Speaking of The Dance, I was watching Dont Stop with the USC Marching band. I have a hunch the band music was pre recorded and the band still played but mostly went through the motions. Anyone agree?

I give Stevie credit. I saw the 24K Gold tour and she sung every word and every line. She may flub here or there but its LIVE. Waddy was cranked up too during Crying In The Night. He blasted his guitar through the arena.

SteveMacD · #9 03-31-2022, 07:58 PM

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I agree on both. Mirage is the last time they were a BAND. Then the FM orchestra took over.

Less is more.

That’s why I dug the Time lineup shows. It was just six people of stage.

Going from that to the overly slick sound of The Dance felt like a regression.

BigAl84 · #10 04-01-2022, 09:49 AM

To be fair...that was sort of what MTV was doing with all of the specials at that time. They scrubbed Joe Walsh up squeaky clean fresh out of rehab, in a sweater and glasses playing classical guitar on Hotel California for Hell Freezes Over

From my own personal experience seeing The Dance tour in Buffalo, NY - the sound mix was terrible from my seat in the nosebleeds. Deafening bass that I've never experienced since. You could see Lenny Castro hitting those bongos, but you couldn't hear a lick of it!

sanders8323 · #11 04-05-2022, 04:26 PM

Tusk will always be my favorite tour and album. The way that they extended songs and improv and just jam the guitar licks, bass lines, and vocals is truly amazing. Stevie, while not at the top of her game vocally, never sang a song the same way twice, so it was like hearing it for the first time again every night. Makes me wish Lindsey would start improving the So Afraid solo again. He's been playing that same solo almost 20 years now.

**jbrownsjr** · #12 04-12-2022, 08:38 PM

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Makes me wish Lindsey would start improving the So Afraid solo again. He's been playing that same solo almost 20 years now.

It's exhausting.

Macfan4life · #13 04-13-2022, 08:53 AM

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Tusk will always be my favorite tour and album. The way that they extended songs and improv and just jam the guitar licks, bass lines, and vocals is truly amazing. Stevie, while not at the top of her game vocally, never sang a song the same way twice, so it was like hearing it for the first time again every night. Makes me wish Lindsey would start improving the So Afraid solo again. He's been playing that same solo almost 20 years now.

Excellent analysis. I agree with you that I'm So Afraid on the Tusk tour is the best ever. That live album version is on fire.....literally. My CD player would smoke when that song was played.
Your point about Stevie was on point. Before klonopin she really always spontaneous but in the 80s it was because of drugs. During Tusk, her spontaneous singing was natural and organic.

**jbrownsjr** · #14 04-14-2022, 09:35 AM

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Excellent analysis. I agree with you that I'm So Afraid on the Tusk tour is the best ever. That live album version is on fire.....literally. My CD player would smoke when that song was played.
Your point about Stevie was on point. Before klonopin she really always spontaneous but in the 80s it was because of drugs. During Tusk, her spontaneous singing was natural and organic.

The "Dreams" where she sings out of tune and the wrong lyrics are some of my fav. (On that tour)