Show a little respect for Christine

secret love · #1 01-25-2019, 08:47 AM

Apparently Lindsey not being in the band is a travesty.
Well can anyone remind me, was there an uproar when they had the gall to tour without Christine?
Some people even said they should have replaced her with Sheryl Crow!
And yet replacing Lindsey is supposedly unforgiveable! Give me a break!

Storms123 · #2 01-25-2019, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by secret love

Apparently Lindsey not being in the band is a travesty.
Well can anyone remind me, was there an uproar when they had the gall to tour without Christine?
Some people even said they should have replaced her with Sheryl Crow!
And yet replacing Lindsey is supposedly unforgiveable! Give me a break!

From my perspective, Christine left of her own accord, and was not tossed out by the person who brought her into the band. And regarding Sheryl Crow replacing her, and someone please correct me if I am wrong, it was Lindsey who put the kibash on that. IMO, the 2 situations are not apples to apples comparisons. I will give her the respect she deserves for being the only member of the band to actually engage with Lindsey since Mick and Stevie fired him.
I also would say “replacing” him is not unforgivable, they’ve done it before. They also replaced Stevie. What’s unforgivable, for me as a fan, is LYING about why he was replaced. Band made a decision, own it!

sue · #3 01-25-2019, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by secret love

Apparently Lindsey not being in the band is a travesty.
Well can anyone remind me, was there an uproar when they had the gall to tour without Christine?
Some people even said they should have replaced her with Sheryl Crow!
And yet replacing Lindsey is supposedly unforgiveable! Give me a break!

On the surface, what you say is correct....
Big difference, Christine left them...
Lindsey was sacked.

HomerMcvie · #4 01-25-2019, 10:19 AM

There is NO comparison in what happened. Christine retired. Lindsey was fired. How in the hell can you not see the difference???

button-lip · #5 01-25-2019, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

There is NO comparison in what happened. Christine retired. Lindsey was fired. How in the hell can you not see the difference???

I'm not surprised. Some people still can't understand that Lindsey was fired, so they still choose to say that he left.

The thread title cracks me up!

HomerMcvie · #6 01-25-2019, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by button-lip

I'm not surprised. Some people still can't understand that Lindsey was fired, so they still choose to say that he left.

The thread title cracks me up!

I agree. But they'll do or say anything to stand up for Old Goat Breath. "That MEAN MAN had to go!!!!!"

**jbrownsjr** · #7 01-25-2019, 11:46 AM

I thought I would get better with this situation as time ticked on. But honestly, what $tevie did is truly ugly and disgusts me more and more as I think about it. It's not so much the rallying of Mick and Irving that she and her crew accomplished; it's the silent treatment and the inhumane path it went down.

I still try to put myself in Lindsey's shoes. Getting the call and realizing they fired him without an explanation. a face to face conversation. or even a phone call. I can imagine him trying to sleep at night knowing he had been iced and ghosted by the very same people he has known for 40 years. I'm also willing to bet he and his wife had many sleepless nights. (His whole family most likely) Why would you put someone through that and then go on national tv and say, "It's because he didn't want to tour." Did $he have so much hate in her heart? Imagine doing that to someone, then lying about it to the world. We don't want to use the word fired? That actually makes sense because they didn't have the guts to fire him. They just moved on without contact.

And this giant revenge was done to the man that was a MAJOR player in $tevie's fruitful career. That's a bit ironic, no?

The more I try to get my head around this, the harder it is. I always knew she was a superficial, and entitled human being; but, I did not realize just how low she could sink.

As for Christine McVie. She had nothing to do with this, and I can't reasonably expect someone to take millions of dollars off the table and get involved in the Nicks' **** show. I'm pretty sure she quit the band for a week or two,(however, I haven't been able to verify it.) I don't even think even Lindsey would expect Christine to give up what she came back for. Christine came back from retirement to re-join Fleetwood Mac.

Final note: I don't think Christine sent that email to LB on accident. She was sending a message to him and the fans. I pray we get another BuckVie album. It's certainly possible. That email had to have sent shock waves thru the band......... errrrrrrrrrrrrr Stevie's crew.

cbBen · #8 01-25-2019, 11:48 AM

Yes, a firing is a difference in kind from a resignation.

But beyond that, with all due respect to her I do not consider Christine indispensable in the way I do Stevie, Lindsey, and even Mick (due to the uniqueness of his drumming).

The group works as Fleetwood Mac without Christine. It does not work without Stevie and Lindsey both, as their value stems in large measure from one another (a "package deal" as it were).

This is not to say Christine is not valuable, just not essential.

As was said elsewhere, 1997 was a reset.

secondhandchain · #9 01-25-2019, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by secret love

Apparently Lindsey not being in the band is a travesty.
Well can anyone remind me, was there an uproar when they had the gall to tour without Christine?
Some people even said they should have replaced her with Sheryl Crow!
And yet replacing Lindsey is supposedly unforgiveable! Give me a break!

HE WAS FIRED!!!!!!! DUH You don't see the diffference!!!????? She left on her own accord.

SteveMacD · #10 01-25-2019, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by secondhandchain

HE WAS FIRED!!!!!!! DUH You don't see the diffference!!!????? She left on her own accord.

Okay, so you’re saying that if a few members of a band find themselves at personal or creative odds with another member of the band, they aren’t allowed to fire that member and have to suffer for the rest of their time together?

elle · #11 01-25-2019, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Okay, so you’re saying that if a few members of a band find themselves at personal or creative odds with another member of the band, they aren’t allowed to fire that member and have to suffer for the rest of their time together?

there are no "few members" here. just one. who has been in creative odds with the band for 15 years now, and at personal odds with her ex for 40+ years. so yeah she should have been fired. instead they continue to suffer, from what we hear even worse now without Lindsey to take the brunt of it.

Storms123 · #12 01-26-2019, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Okay, so you’re saying that if a few members of a band find themselves at personal or creative odds with another member of the band, they aren’t allowed to fire that member and have to suffer for the rest of their time together?

I am a huge fan of a quorum--but in this case, I think it's been well established, it wasn't a few members, or a quorum, it was one, and the rest somehow were castrated (or in Christine's case...blindsided) on their way into the meetings.

dontlookdown · #13 01-27-2019, 05:38 PM

Lindsey didn't choose to leave. He was forced out and all of the plans were made behind is back; which turned into an enormous public embarrassment for him.
Whatever he did, it didn't warrant such horrible behavior by the rest of the band.
Chris left the band by choice for personal reasons.

elle · #14 01-27-2019, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dontlookdown

Lindsey didn't choose to leave. He was forced out and all of the plans were made behind is back; which turned into an enormous public embarrassment for him.
Whatever he did, it didn't warrant such horrible behavior by the rest of the band.
Chris left the band by choice for personal reasons.

he did a lot - wrote songs, produced, played, arranged, had a vision and helped band members when they were down and out, over decades. a behavior that needs to be punished so that others can take the credit.

we've all seen conniving people get ahead while unsuspecting get pushed down. happens every day in real world, unfortunately.

Storms123 · #15 01-27-2019, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by elle

he did a lot - wrote songs, produced, played, arranged, had a vision and helped band members when they were down and out, over decades. a behavior that needs to be punished so that others can take the credit.

we've all seen conniving people get ahead while unsuspecting get pushed down. happens every day in real world, unfortunately.

Well said Elle--and as far as public embarrassment, the remaining "band" owns that. They lied, and wound up being called out for it publicly. They should be embarrassed given how they've conducted themselves.