Christine: no more FM tours with SN or JM - Page 7

UnwindedDreams · #91 02-11-2021, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

That’s a matter of opinion. “Falling For You” reminds me a lot of Christine. The fact is she’s got a deep, husky, understated voice. Not hard imagining her singing something like “Everywhere.” And, she’s already played with Mick.

Really? Matter of opinion? What a Masterful point you make! That's why I started with "I think"

SteveMacD · #92 02-11-2021, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Scarrott

Mick, Lindsey, Christine, and Florence Welch would be a great combination, if Christine could somehow struggle along....

There can only be one Welch in the Fleetwoodverse.

(Joke)

SteveMacD · #93 02-11-2021, 08:30 PM

Didn’t Lindsey say something about working with a younger woman sometime after he’s done with his solo project? So, he’s in contact with Mick AND talking about working with another woman. Hmmm....

anusha · #94 02-11-2021, 08:33 PM

I last saw Christine on the Buckingham/McVie tour abd at Classic East and didn’t note a big change in vocals (though wouldn’t be surprised if Brett did more of the keyboard parts). Was it noticeably worse than that on the 2018-2019 tour?

No wonder why Mick is cozying up to Lindsey — Stevie isn’t available. I would guess they could play theaters with Mick/Lindsey/Chris if they wanted to. It might be fun to see. But practically, I can’t see Mick or Chris touring without a big payday.

jmn3 · #95 02-11-2021, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David

My opinion is that Christine isn’t of any performance value anymore onstage. It isn’t an on-night or an off-night matter, either. She is at a point where her musical skills are permanently compromised by her stage of life. Thoughts?

I think you're right. Her voice being the main thing that just isn't there anymore. In the studio is one thing, but on stage, even with backing vocalists and piped in harmonies, it's just consistently noticeable. Then there was her skills on the keys - there were weird moments at the beginning of the 2014-15 tour where she was pressing wrong buttons or looking a bit lost with her equipment. Songs like Hold Me on the BuckVie tour where she barely looked to even be playing at all. But that being said, I just watched a 2018 performance of Tell Me All The Things You Do and she was going to town.

I think the reality is, she 'retired' during the absolute worst years that she could have. I don't begrudge her decision and maybe she did what she had to do, but being out of commission from the ages of 55 to 70 wasn't particularly good as far as being able to actively tour at 75, 80. It's hard to be a recluse at those ages and then try to come back in your 70's. She wasn't staying loose and performing on stage during those years at all. I love that she came back. I loved that 2014 show in Pittsburgh. I love Chris in Fleetwood Mac - she is the balance needed between the other two songwriters. But, it's hard to imagine, in a post-Covid world, seeing her as an active touring member of a band like Fleetwood Mac.

The rest of them aren't perfect, and that includes lying Mick and loony toon Stevie, but they kept going and kept active during those later years in their lives and I could absolute see Lindsey, Mick, and Stevie out touring after the pandemic. I just struggle to see the McVie's actually doing it - on a big scale.

UnwindedDreams · #96 02-11-2021, 08:52 PM

^Chris messed up SYLM at Chicago 1 of OWTS. I hope to find video of it. It was only the 3rd live show they did (Tour actually started with a private show in Chicago foe Sam Zell) Wish there was video.

BigAl84 · #97 02-12-2021, 10:39 AM

That Pittsburgh show was magical and I'll always remember that vibe!

I think Christine's voice suffered from the length of that 2014/2015 tour. When I saw her near the end of the Buckvie tour in Northfield OH (casino). She sounded great, maybe because there was a break between the two legs.

Her voice saw a drastic increase in activity from 2013-2019 and it wasn't exactly a gradual progression.

I'd be curious to see how she would sound if you asked her to sing songbird today. She very well might sound better than mid tour in 2019.

I suspect that her voice can't withstand the rigors of touring, not so much an actual decline or issue with her voice (besides natural aging)

**jbrownsjr** · #98 02-12-2021, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigAl84

That Pittsburgh show was magical and I'll always remember that vibe!

I think Christine's voice suffered from the length of that 2014/2015 tour. When I saw her near the end of the Buckvie tour in Northfield OH (casino). She sounded great, maybe because there was a break between the two legs.

Her voice saw a drastic increase in activity from 2013-2019 and it wasn't exactly a gradual progression.

I'd be curious to see how she would sound if you asked her to sing songbird today. She very well might sound better than mid tour in 2019.

I suspect that her voice can't withstand the rigors of touring, not so much an actual decline or issue with her voice (besides natural aging)

Even in your prime, when you sing on tour it's grueling. Sometimes it's cold weather, or you have a cold, or you're just raw. Sometimes, you can't clear your throat all day. It's not easy by any stretch. I sang for a jazz group and by the end of the small tour I would go on vocal rest just for my sanity.

jmn3 · #99 02-12-2021, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams

^Chris messed up SYLM at Chicago 1 of OWTS. I hope to find video of it. It was only the 3rd live show they did (Tour actually started with a private show in Chicago foe Sam Zell) Wish there was video.

Here you go!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLOMz0SbH-Y

jmn3 · #**100** 02-12-2021, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anusha

I last saw Christine on the Buckingham/McVie tour abd at Classic East and didn’t note a big change in vocals (though wouldn’t be surprised if Brett did more of the keyboard parts). Was it noticeably worse than that on the 2018-2019 tour?

No wonder why Mick is cozying up to Lindsey — Stevie isn’t available. I would guess they could play theaters with Mick/Lindsey/Chris if they wanted to. It might be fun to see. But practically, I can’t see Mick or Chris touring without a big payday.

As much as I find Mick repulsive and hated how they did Lindsey, I would totally go and see a show with the three of them. Mick's gonna need money and I think once the pandemic subsides and touring can start again, people are going to be clamoring to go to shows. The payday would be larger than the $0 he's going to get otherwise.

aleuzzi · #**101** 02-12-2021, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigAl84

That Pittsburgh show was magical and I'll always remember that vibe!

I think Christine's voice suffered from the length of that 2014/2015 tour. When I saw her near the end of the Buckvie tour in Northfield OH (casino). She sounded great, maybe because there was a break between the two legs.

Her voice saw a drastic increase in activity from 2013-2019 and it wasn't exactly a gradual progression.

I'd be curious to see how she would sound if you asked her to sing songbird today. She very well might sound better than mid tour in 2019.

I suspect that her voice can't withstand the rigors of touring, not so much an actual decline or issue with her voice (besides natural aging)

I went to that same Pittsburgh show and agree it was magical, and Christine was vocally in good form. Everything gelled that night. I saw them later in the tour in Buffalo and they all sounded tired.

aleuzzi · #**102** 02-12-2021, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmn3

I think you're right. Her voice being the main thing that just isn't there anymore. In the studio is one thing, but on stage, even with backing vocalists and piped in harmonies, it's just consistently noticeable. Then there was her skills on the keys - there were weird moments at the beginning of the 2014-15 tour where she was pressing wrong buttons or looking a bit lost with her equipment. Songs like Hold Me on the BuckVie tour where she barely looked to even be playing at all. But that being said, I just watched a 2018 performance of Tell Me All The Things You Do and she was going to town.

I think the reality is, she 'retired' during the absolute worst years that she could have. I don't begrudge her decision and maybe she did what she had to do, but being out of commission from the ages of 55 to 70 wasn't particularly good as far as being able to actively tour at 75, 80. It's hard to be a recluse at those ages and then try to come back in your 70's. She wasn't staying loose and performing on stage during those years at all. I love that she came back. I loved that 2014 show in Pittsburgh. I love Chris in Fleetwood Mac - she is the balance needed between the other two songwriters. But, it's hard to imagine, in a post-Covid world, seeing her as an active touring member of a band like Fleetwood Mac.

The rest of them aren't perfect, and that includes lying Mick and loony toon Stevie, but they kept going and kept active during those later years in their lives and I could absolute see Lindsey, Mick, and Stevie out touring after the pandemic. I just struggle to see the McVie's actually doing it - on a big scale.

I entirely agree with this. Had she been able to return with at least one of her strengths fully intact, then I’d say go forward it. She was a great keyboard player. So not having her play the keys in any consistent way in stage is sad. Her voice is noticeably older and worn down, but she retained her tone and I enjoyed hearing her on some songs on some nights.

But her return, particularly during the 2018-19 tour was largely a theatrical metaphor.

Not so with her contributions to studio music! Another Christine album would be fantastic.

**jbrownsjr** · #**103** 02-12-2021, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aleuzzi

I went to that same Pittsburgh show and agree it was magical, and Christine was vocally in good form. Everything gelled that night. I saw them later in the tour in Buffalo and they all sounded tired.

I saw them in Los Angeles and Gypsy was so bad I actually covered my ears. Everyone with the exception of Neil sounded really tired. Neil was killing it. I don't like his voice on LB songs, but he was perfectly in tune and in good voice.

jmn3 · #**104** 02-12-2021, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I saw them in Los Angeles and Gypsy was so bad I actually covered my ears. Everyone with the exception of Neil sounded really tired. Neil was killing it. I don't like his voice in LB songs, but he was perfectly in tune and in good voice.

Gypsy has gotten really, really bad. She can sound good on a few songs, but she just can't do that one justice and hasn't been able to probably since The Dance.

I didn't see them live but from watching videos, Neil voice just sounds brutal on Lindsey's songs. But, then on Hypnotized, I thought he sounded great. Of course, they dropped that one.

**jbrownsjr** · #**105** 02-12-2021, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmn3

Gypsy has gotten really, really bad. She can sound good on a few songs, but she just can't do that one justice and hasn't been able to probably since The Dance.

I didn't see them live but from watching videos, Neil voice just sounds brutal on Lindsey's songs. But, then on Hypnotized, I thought he sounded great. Of course, they dropped that one.

Yes, it's so wrong on LB songs. But, Welch and Kirwan he was fantastic.