What happens when you die?

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by mikeschmike

Heaven and hell contradict each other. If sinners go to hell, wouldn't hell be a kick ass place to be? Drinking, smoking, wife coveting, etc. That said, woudn't heaven be boring and REALLY uptight?

"I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinner are much more fun..." --Billy Joel


And no, it wouldn't be fun because in the traditional view of Hell they dont' get to live the lives they did on Earth - it's a place of punishment and such.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Yeah? Well your a poo!

Just kidding. YOu make an interesting point though. Some people believe in a "higher power" without believing in Satan. I guess I'm talking about the traditional view of Good and Evil. It's a fact that both exsist in the world. It's a belief (by some) that Good and Evil is manifested in God and Satan. The two ultimate examples of Good and Evil.

i don't think it's a fact that both exist. most actions that people would categorize as "evil" can be explained in psychological or neurological terms, imo. and for that reason, i do not believe in evil. i think good and evil, right and wrong are artificial notions.

One can be in league with Satan by basically worshipping him the way God is worshipped. Again, by living a life of no good whatsoever, murder, pain, horror inflicting on others with absolutely no feelings of remorse or wrong...

these things are all subjective.

There are other examples but they get more into individual belief systems. I mean hell, in some religions simply being gay puts you in league with Satan!

exactly! which is why i don't believe in any system of good vs. evil.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by carrie721

i don't think it's a fact that both exist. most actions that people would categorize as "evil" can be explained in psychological or neurological terms, imo. and for that reason, i do not believe in evil. i think good and evil, right and wrong are artificial notions.



these things are all subjective.



exactly! which is why i don't believe in any system of good vs. evil.

Well then I can't "explain" what I was saying, because it's all based on belief. I was just saying what my ideas are. But if one doesn't believe in the elements of them, then of course they'll make no sense...or they'll just be moot (or moo if you're a Friends fan).

But I do believe there is actual evil in this world, be it explained by psychological reasons or not. But that's a belief, so of course not everyone will share it.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by skcin

Really? Nothing? So you don't believe people who claim to have seen/felt/heard loved ones who have died?

Like I said, it'd sure be nice.

Isn't there evidence, that certain chemicals are released in the brain, when somebody is dying, that could cause hallucinations? Then, on the occasion that somebody is revived, they retain memories of said hallucinations?

[seeker007nmss]

I debated awhile before answering this. But why not. I have been clinically dead twice. The first had no real remembrances or effects as it was very, very , short. The second time, my body was being prepared for the morgue when I came out of it. This lead to many tests, doctors and "experts" flying in, and a few PhD papers. I felt like a guinea pig. I know far more of the scientific reasons of oxygen depletion and the effects on the brain, the chemical balances that occurs in the body during death, tunnel vision and the carbon dioxide effect...etc. than I would like too. It came down to the fact to me, that there is much more beyond death than any of the religions or philosophers can imagine. I am not going into the details as it is something very personal and many will not believe what I experienced, or do I really care if they do. I am a living person with a death certificate.

I will say this much. I believe more than ever in reincarnation. I didn't really think about it before this. I came out "Knowing" minute details of the past that I would have never known had I not lived through it before. Things that are never written about as they are so insignificant to anyone not of that time. (Unless you are a academic studying the era).

Yes, there is something past death. Everyone will experience something different. There is a place of beauty and calm. There are some of our loved ones there and some that have cycled through again are not there. We all have our own paths.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by mikeschmike

Still I'd like to think that there is some kind of existence after your body dies. Reincarnation? I dunno...it seems pretty unfair if we all have to come back with no knowledge of our past lives and Shirley Maclaine gets to remember everything.

Totally unfair.

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Yeah? Well your a poo!
!

It's you're a poo. Just FYI.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Well then I can't "explain" what I was saying, because it's all based on belief. I was just saying what my ideas are. But if one doesn't believe in the elements of them, then of course they'll make no sense...or they'll just be moot (or moo if you're a Friends fan).

But I do believe there is actual evil in this world, be it explained by psychological reasons or not. But that's a belief, so of course not everyone will share it.

it's cool. i'm not trying to disparage your beliefs, just counter them. i think these conversations are interesting. i get what you're saying, i just disagree.

[estranged4life]

We're living in hell. When we die we're off to our own personal 'heaven/nirvana'.

Every waking moment I am trapped in this hell. From waking moment until I lapse into sleep I am in hell. There is NOTHING, I mean NOT A MUTHAF**KIN' THING that can be punishable than what I feel now.

[amber]

Not that I care, but have you started this thread before? Just wanting to see if my memory is faulty...this time...

Oh, and I think our energy still exists (matter can't be created or destroyed?) after we die. I'm not sure why some people's energy manifests as ghosts and some doesn't, though.
I think heaven and hell are silly as they've been conceptualized. But there is that energy that still exists, where does it go? I think it is likely that the energy is still on earth, and for some reason people have stronger or more or something energy attached to them, or in them, or whatever, and that is what manifests as ghosts. It's hard to explain. But I hope I see Vinnie and all my pets. Maybe some friends...I think reincarnation is fairly likely, especially considering the way energy/matter works.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by seeker007nmss

I debated awhile before answering this. But why not. I have been clinically dead twice. The first had no real remembrances or effects as it was very, very , short. The second time, my body was being prepared for the morgue when I came out of it. This lead to many tests, doctors and "experts" flying in, and a few PhD papers. I felt like a guinea pig. I know far more of the scientific reasons of oxygen depletion and the effects on the brain, the chemical balances that occurs in the body during death, tunnel vision and the carbon dioxide effect...etc. than I would like too. It came down to the fact to me, that there is much more beyond death than any of the religions or philosophers can imagine. I am not going into the details as it is something very personal and many will not believe what I experienced, or do I really care if they do. I am a living person with a death certificate.

I will say this much. I believe more than ever in reincarnation. I didn't really think about it before this. I came out "Knowing" minute details of the past that I would have never known had I not lived through it before. Things that are never written about as they are so insignificant to anyone not of that time. (Unless you are a academic studying the era).

Yes, there is something past death. Everyone will experience something different. There is a place of beauty and calm. There are some of our loved ones there and some that have cycled through again are not there. We all have our own paths.

That's some crazy ****, Jim. Did they ever determine why you came back to life?

Originally Posted by amber

Not that I care, but have you started this thread before? Just wanting to see if my memory is faulty...this time...

Oh, and I think our energy still exists (matter can't be created or destroyed?) after we die. I'm not sure why some people's energy manifests as ghosts and some doesn't, though.
I think heaven and hell are silly as they've been conceptualized. But there is that energy that still exists, where does it go? I think it is likely that the energy is still on earth, and for some reason people have stronger or more or something energy attached to them, or in them, or whatever, and that is what manifests as ghosts. It's hard to explain.

I thought I may have, but I searched & couldn't find anything. There were a few about ghosts & "signs" from beyond, but not specifically about the afterlife.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by carrie721

it's cool. i'm not trying to disparage your beliefs, just counter them. i think these conversations are interesting. i get what you're saying, i just disagree.

Oh I get that, I find these conversations interesting as well. It really makes me think, like honestly it didn't even cross my mind that anyone would question that there is good and evil - so that is fascinating to me...

I don't feel as though you were disparaging my beliefs...I put some of them out there and love to discuss stuff like this - especially when it doesn't get ugly

Originally Posted by skcin

It's you're a poo. Just FYI.

oops...says the girls who was also writing a newscast at the time...oh well, as long as the Ledge doesn't pay me, I'll not pay attention to my typos...

[skcin]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

oops...says the girls who was also writing a newscast at the time...oh well, as long as the Ledge doesn't pay me, I'll not pay attention to my typos...

I know, just teasing you. I know that you're one of the spelling/grammar sticklers along with myself, Amber, Carrie.

And keep up the debate, I'm enjoying reading everyone's views.

[Rickypt]

OMG, I could write for days about this. My internet days began with posting on a variety of discussion boards specializing in these issues. Until 2001, I was a lifelong atheist and firmly believed that dead is dead, there is no soul, etc.

After my partner died, I had a series of very profound experiences that led me to question this way of thinking. I then spent about a year researching mediumship, spirituality, near-death experiences, etc. Most people would say I was just grieving and trying to find comfort, but I felt I was on an intellectual pursuit.

Long story short, I am convinced that our "soul" or whatever you want to call it (our essence, perhaps?) moves on after our physical body dies. It goes into some kind of parallel universe. What it does once it gets there, I haven't the faintest. I definitely don't believe in heaven/hell concepts. I imagine that if you were bad in this world, then you don't get to advance on the other side and instead hang out with other souls that did poorly. Then I think at some point we go right back and do this all over again.

Any questions?

[The Tower]

I don't believe in anything that is supernatural. However, I am also an agnostic, so I don't really know. So, until I figure it out for myself, I'd rather just assume the natural aspect- which is that you die and that's it- wormsmeat.

I told Amber the other day about how it appears that one of my dead cats has possessed the body of my still living cat. I don't know why- cuz I don't believe in supernatural things. But, it is an odd coincidence.

I would be neat if I could talk to my cat and say, "Why are you now such the freeeek that you are, Miss Bonehead?"

I certainly don't believe in any of the organized religions' account of afterlife. All that stuff is manufactured for their own purposes and is dubious at best.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by seeker007nmss

I am not going into the details as it is something very personal and many will not believe what I experienced

I would.