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When you have a group of people who all have something important to add and you are trying to come to some sort of compromise, what if you NEVER can come to a decision as a group? SOMEONE needs to step up and say, "THIS is how we are going to do this. End of story." Dont'cha think?
Everyone can have their say, add their ideas, etc., but SOMEONE needs to come to the final decision, right?
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Of course, that's not a perfect situation either. At any rate, a band definitely needs to have an idea-man, but I still believe that idea-man better be flexible. Ask Steve Perry or Axl Rose if being the top-dog worked out for them.
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Fleetwood Mac is fairly unique since each member of the band has their own manager...the band itself doesn't have one. It's "management by committee". And, we wonder why things don't get done quickly in Fleetwood Mac circles.
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AMEN!!!!!!
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I am sitting here trying to think of how many FM Lindsey songs (IMO) are the commercial ones vs. the "artistic" ones. Monday Morning - commercial Blue Letter - commercial ISA - artistic SHN - commercial NGBA - commercial GYOW - commercial The Ledge - artistic Save Me a Place - artistic WMYTYTO - artistic That's All for Everyone - artistic Not That Funny - artistic That's Enough For Me - artistic I Know I'm Not Wrong - artistic Walk a Thin Line - artistic Tusk - commercial Can't Go Back - commercial Book of Love - artistic Empire State - artistic Oh Diane - commercial EOTW - commercial Big Love - commercial Caroline - artistic Tango in the Night - artistic Family Man - artistic You and I, Part I - commercial WTWCT - commercial Murrow - artistic Miranda - commercial Red Rover - artistic Peacekeeper - commercial Come - artistic SYHA - commercial BTLH - commercial Say Goodbye - artistic commercial - 16 artistic - 18 He's half and half...sorta. LOL
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Christy - that was great!!!!!
The only thing is ISA was kind of typical for that era's guitar crunchers (except that it was more brilliant than most!!!! - I am too old!!! |
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Great list, Christy!
I'd say that some of them would definitely straddle the line between "commercial" and "artistic." "I'm So Afraid," "Family Man," and "Book Of Love" could easily fall into the "commercial" category, too. While "Big Love" and "Miranda" could also be considered "artistic."
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Strand...
I always see that song as way too dark for the 70's. LOL When I think of the "happy decade", I think of disco and light-heartedness...also, would you hear that song on the radio...newp.
You're too old? PUH-LEEZE!! I wish I had been born earlier. I'm a bi-centennial baby. LOL
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IMO, ISA fits squarely with the late 60's and early to mid 70's guitar crunching bands like Led Zeppelin, Foghat, Black Sabbath, etc. Although these bands all had their own distinct sounds, they all had these long guitar oriented songs similar to ISA. Interestingly, apparently, Fritz was somewhat like this because Stevie said it was a heavy band, etc. |
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WHY must people act like making the terrific songs you've classified as "commercial" somehow takes away from his artistic integrity?!!! I see Christy's list and I cringe as I see many of my favorites labelled with the dreaded "commercial" - ie, sell-outs and not truly from Lindsey's heart. Again, I'm not saying Christy feels this way, or you JS, but that's the implication that comes up AGAIN and AGAIN. Here you are using it to imply Lindsey is disingenuous about not wanting to "sell out." That is sure a harsh criticism, in my humble opinion, and I hate the fact it is based on songs that have really touched me (in this case, namely, Soul Drifter). I contend that, with VERY few exceptions, EVERY song Lindsey has released has NOT been done to appeal to commercial success, but because it comes from his own aesthetic impulses. I realize that Lindsey's disparaging remarks about songs like SYHA take away somewhat from my argument, but I also believe that he was forced into that kind of stance from other people's stereotypical views of what is "artistic." I really do believe that Lindsey cares A LOT about whether or not people perceive him as a "true artist" and he hopes that his self-disparagement would raise him in the esteem of people whose respect he seeks (those Clash-types). (My thoughts on Lindsey's misguided need for the approval of these types is a whole 'nother issue!) Quote:
I think BOTH Lindsey and Stevie write from the heart, and I think BOTH want people to enjoy their music. There is nothing wrong with either of those despite the perjorative labelling of the latter as "selling out" or compromising oneself by SO MANY people - even some of his staunchest defenders, who seem embarrassed to admit to liking anything on Rumours better than anything on Tusk. LINDSEY FANS, DON'T BUY INTO THIS MENTALITY! ALL of Lindsey's work is worthy of our respect. OK, except for Family Man. Last edited by sodascouts; 03-16-2004 at 08:17 PM.. |
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I don't get the argument...
I dont' understand why commercial songs are looked at as crap either. Didn't The Beatles have some commercial songs? Well, OF COURSE they did. "She Loves You" anyone?
I did that list out of curiosity of which songs of his are very radio-friendly as opposed to songs you'd NEVER hear on the radio. My whole belief is that just because it's on the radio, doesn't mean it's the artist's best songs. That kind of crap is engrained in our brains from the moment we are old enough to appreciate music. I love pop music, commercial and non-commercial. I do understand that the music industry today kinda sucks weed, but there are some songs on the radio I like a lot. Also, I'm more openminded than I used to be regarding music.
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For the record and as have said, I am all for commercial records because it means future recordings, etc. Also, I think LB, SN, and CM are in that rare breed of artist/poet ( Christy ) that write music that appeals to the masses. Thus, the term commercial. I do not for minute think it takes away from the merit of the music. But, LB seemingly does in that HE uses the term commercial in a seemingly negative way. Maybe when he says commercial he is suggesting Brittany Spears, etc. But, I do not think that is what we are talking about here in this thread, at least I am not
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Nancy... Christy... trust me when I say that my comments about Lindsey and Fleetwood Mac making commercial music, are in no way meant to be disparaging. I know sometimes when I'm trying to make a point, my personal feelings about the music get lost in the translation, but I'm not someone who turns my nose up at a song just because it happens to be catchy or radio-friendly.
My comments are only made because I think the "Lindsey equals artistic integrity/Stevie equals commercialism" line of thinking, is way off base. Whether some folks like it or not, our favorite band... and the members therein... make commercially appealing music. But I whole-heartedly agree that, even when they've crafted a song to make it most appealing, they're still doing it out of love for their art. So yeah, Stevie hoped "Say You Will" had commercial legs... and wrote it with the intention of paying homage to the kinds of hit songs Christine has contributed over the years. But I don't see it as selling out, or lacking in artistic integrity just because she hoped it would get radio play and be successful. My argument was this: it's not a big deal that Stevie wants to sell some albums... so does Lindsey, whether he admits it or not. Personally, I don't see a problem with wanting that.
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The Managers Rule...Then...???
YOUR comments are most interesting!
Tell Stevie, some of us are older then 27yrs. and stood in a line just to buy SYW for $13.99 +Tax!!! Another $24.99 + tax was also spent by my family to buy their Mom the Red SYW... DOUBLE ALBUM with... Extra Songs... by her favorite Band and Mother's... most Favorite Guitarist ever...Lindsey BucKINGham!!! Why DID FMac Make a RED Double Album??? We sympathize with Lindsey for being lead by Mick to go in studio to record their Double Album, then Mick doing a 180*...and pouting about it!!! (Remember J.Todd and the infamous Fan Club?) What went wrong? SYW has only sold 810,827! They'll be THRILLED with all that Tour Money! The Doc.had Fun moments but not many! Sky ps Johnny Stew...Ditto what you said...we get Lost!
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