Rejected Album Post-OOTC?

[cbBen]

I know this has been discussed in past threads, but in the interest of a comprehensive and fully-updated account: Following OOTC, did Lindsey make an album, perhaps co-produced by Richard Dashut, that the label rejected?

If so, what do we know about it and the songs from it?

[elle]

Originally Posted by cbBen

I know this has been discussed in past threads, but in the interest of a comprehensive and fully-updated account: Following OOTC, did Lindsey make an album, perhaps co-produced by Richard Dashut, that the label rejected?

If so, what do we know about it and the songs from it?

ioriginal Gift of Screws. supposedly because of changes at the label at the time they told him to hold it back and roll it into Mac when he presented it to WB in 2001. probably his best album ever and biggest mistake to wait and roll parts of it into SYW - and then into additional solo albums when Stevie didn't want to do another FM album and tour in tandem with SYW.

scroll down to "bootleg track listing" here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_of_Screws

[elle]

this bootleg GOS cemented my LB fandom. it's something that's very near and dear to me.

pasting parts of the above referenced wiki article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_of_Screws that refer to original GOS:

Album history
The album title existed as a solo album set for release in 2001 by Reprise Records. Songs were recorded between 1995 and 2000, some of which were performed and recorded live by Fleetwood Mac for their The Dance album and tour in 1997. They also feature contributions from bandmates Mick Fleetwood and John McVie.

Upon presenting the finished album to Reprise, Buckingham was advised to retain some of the material for a forthcoming Fleetwood Mac album. To this end, Buckingham contributed several of the songs towards the 2003 album Say You Will and ultimately his next solo project, Under the Skin, released in 2006.

However, high-quality bootlegs of the Gift of Screws project, which had been mixed but not yet mastered, were publicly circulated for free MP3 download in October 2001.[2]

The title track takes its inspiration from an Emily Dickinson poem. The song was recorded during the sessions for Say You Will but did not appear on the album.
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Bootleg Track Listing
"Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind" (released on Under the Skin)
"Miranda" (released with additional overdubs on Fleetwood Mac's Say You Will)
"Steal Your Heart Away" (released with additional overdubs on Say You Will)
"Red Rover" (released on Say You Will)
"She Smiled Sweetly" (Rolling Stones cover) (alternate recording released on Seeds We Sow)
"Come" (released on Say You Will)
"Down on Rodeo" (released on Under the Skin)
"Gotta Get Away" (Rolling Stones cover)
"Try for the Sun" (released on Under the Skin as "To Try for the Sun")
"Shuffle Riff" (released as "Wait for You" on official release)
"Murrow" (released on Say You Will as "Murrow Turning Over in His Grave")
"Gift of Screws" (released on official release)
"Bleed to Love Her" (live version released on The Dance, studio version released on Say You Will)
"Twist of Fate" (released as "The Right Place to Fade" on official release)
"Go Insane" (live version recorded for The Dance, released on The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac)
"Say Goodbye" (released on Say You Will)
"The Singer Not the Song" (Rolling Stones Cover)

Personnel
Lindsey Buckingham - Electric & Acoustic Guitars, Keyboards, Bass, Percussion, Drums, Programming
John McVie - Bass on Wait for You and Gift of Screws
John Pierce - Bass on Twist of Fate
Mick Fleetwood - Drums & Percussion on Wait for You, Twist of Fate, and Gift of Screws

Technical
Wait for You - Produced by Rob Cavallo & Lindsey Buckingham, Mixed by Mark Needham
Gift of Screws - Produced by Rob Cavallo & Lindsey Buckingham
Tracks engineered by Lindsey Buckingham, Ken Allardyce, and Mark Needham

[David]

Originally Posted by elle

However, high-quality bootlegs of the Gift of Screws project, which had been mixed but not yet mastered, were publicly circulated for free MP3 download in October 2001.

I was the guy who ripped the MP3s and gave them to Sarah, I believe, to post on her fan site. The mixed tracks were burned to an audio CD by an old friend at Maverick who was working with Mark Needham on some other projects. Rob Cavallo and Glen Ballard (Alanis Morisette producer) played a big role in advocating for the album from 1998 to 2000, I do recall.

[Macfan4life]

Oh wow. I had a flashback. I remember hearing about Gift of Screws forever after The Dance and how Lindsey was working on it. Then it sort of went of the radar.

[cbBen]

I meant an album completed in (or by) c. 1995.

[lbfan]

Originally Posted by cbBen

I meant an album completed in (or by) c. 1995.

Although Lindsey was undoubtedly working on the unreleased GOS album (as detailed meticulously above by Elle and David) in 1995, he was not working with Richard as they parted company shortly after OOTC was completed. Lindsey did have a song (On The Wrong Side) on the With Honors movie soundtrack in 1994 and a duet with Stevie (Twisted) on the Twister movie soundtrack in 1996.

[lbfan]

Originally Posted by David

I was the guy who ripped the MP3s and gave them to Sarah, I believe, to post on her fan site. The mixed tracks were burned to an audio CD by an old friend at Maverick who was working with Mark Needham on some other projects. Rob Cavallo and Glen Ballard (Alanis Morisette producer) played a big role in advocating for the album from 1998 to 2000, I do recall.

Thank you!!! That sustained my LB fixation for many years.

[elle]

^^^^^Personnel and Technical listed above was pasted from released Gift of Screws album article, and refer to only GOS released songs - not SYW or UTS or unreleased songs.

Christine McVie participated on Bleed to Love Her and Steal Your Heart Away, and Mick and John did too, as well as on the number of other songs (if not all).

and it is very probable that most if not all songs on the bootleg were co-produced by LB and Rob Cavallo, and mixed by Mark Needham.

[nodmod]

Back to the original question, there has been some small info leaked about a mid-nineties rejected album that had the alleged title of ‘Smile’, I added a page to the Still Going Insane website a while ago that tried to cover this era and the GOS era from info captured from trawling through the old Fleetwood Mac newsgroup that was active in the early days of the internet.

- http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/still...90s-album.html

There is also interviews with the cradle live band about them going into the studio with Lindsey post tour, maybe this is where the song ‘Come’ came from as the songwriters are Lindsey and Neale Heywood. Would really like to understand the post-cradle era better and why LB and Richard Dashut did not work on any other projects, but Richard seems not to want to discuss this. Richard did produce the Time album, but by The Dance he was completely gone, not even a thank you on the album credits if memory serves.

[elle]

Originally Posted by nodmod

Back to the original question, there has been some small info leaked about a mid-nineties rejected album that had the alleged title of ‘Smile’, I added a page to the Still Going Insane website a while ago that tried to cover this era and the GOS era from info captured from trawling through the old Fleetwood Mac newsgroup that was active in the early days of the internet.

- http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/still...90s-album.html

There is also interviews with the cradle live band about them going into the studio with Lindsey post tour, maybe this is where the song ‘Come’ came from as the songwriters are Lindsey and Neale Heywood. Would really like to understand the post-cradle era better and why LB and Richard Dashut did not work on any other projects, but Richard seems not to want to discuss this. Richard did produce the Time album, but by The Dance he was completely gone, not even a thank you on the album credits if memory serves.

yes, i asked Janet about it once, to try and compare songs OOTC band recorded while in HI to what was on leaked GOS1. she was not completely sure but thought some of those might be it.

[cbBen]

Originally Posted by nodmod

Back to the original question, there has been some small info leaked about a mid-nineties rejected album that had the alleged title of ‘Smile’, I added a page to the Still Going Insane website a while ago that tried to cover this era and the GOS era from info captured from trawling through the old Fleetwood Mac newsgroup that was active in the early days of the internet.

- http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/still...90s-album.html

There is also interviews with the cradle live band about them going into the studio with Lindsey post tour, maybe this is where the song ‘Come’ came from as the songwriters are Lindsey and Neale Heywood. Would really like to understand the post-cradle era better and why LB and Richard Dashut did not work on any other projects, but Richard seems not to want to discuss this. Richard did produce the Time album, but by The Dance he was completely gone, not even a thank you on the album credits if memory serves.

This is what I was asking about. Thanks.

[ryan4136]

Since we're talking about this era, does anyone know when and under what circumstance "Someones gotta change your mind" was recorded...thanks

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by ryan4136

Since we're talking about this era, does anyone know when and under what circumstance "Someones gotta change your mind" was recorded...thanks

Seems it's part of the "Isn't that weird" sessions Lindsey said at The Dance show:

GUITAR WORLD ACOUSTIC. November 2006
Mick Fleetwood played percussion on "Down on Rodeo" and "Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind," John McVie played bass on "Down on Rodeo" and David Campbell did some orchestration on "Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind." those two songs were recorded quite a long time ago, almost 10 years ago, at Ocean Way Studios in Hollywood, and they were under consideration for [the 2003 Fleetwood Mac album] Say You Will. But that's really it. The other songs are all from the last three years. I recorded them by myself, either at home or on the road with Fleetwood Mac, and they're mostly guitars and vocals with a little rhythmic support. And lots of echo.

The link:
http://fleetwoodmac-uk.com/articles/...06-10_016.html

[ryan4136]

With Down on Rodeo it sure seems like while they may have put a master track together years earlier that the cut on UTS was a discard from SYW sessions.

But SGCYM is clearly recorded live, it's not fine tuned enough to be a studio track with just a crowd added. Or are my ears that naive?

When might this have been recorded?