Lindsey Buckingham's complaint against FM - Filed 10/9/18 in Los Angeles - document

[saniette]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I agree. It's an extremely naive viewpoint. FM is a business just like GM or Starbucks. Anything they said to him after his firing could be used against them so they stopped talking. I don't know why everyone is having such a fit about that. It's standard practice.

And I wonder how Tom Petty would feel about caving into management like that? The Last DJ, anyone? Maybe Stevie should honor Tom's legacy in actions rather than empty words? She's free falling all right...

Good call on Tom's part never letting Stevie in the Heartbreakers.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by jmn3

So obviously you believe that all the dirty laundry that will come out about Lindsey will do him in or something. But, the street runneth both ways. Do you not think that some pretty awful things could come out from Lindsey's side about the four of them (plus God forbid, the patron saint of chiffon, glitter farts, and wellllllll's, Karen). You're insinuation that Lindsey is nothing but an aggressive, physically abusive lout makes it seem like Mick, John, Chris and Stephanie are just angels sitting by 'taking it' from big bad Lindsey for all of these years. I'm sure the five of them could all bring down the other four in a mutually assured destruction court proceeding. This will never go to a trial.

It'd be the wisest thing to do. Lindsey will walk away with a lot of money. And have his freedom from a bunch of cowards.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by saniette

What does that even mean? I guess they weren't telling the whole truth then, so I agree. But their omissions were probably self-serving.

Do you have anything to add other than Stevie's innocent and Lindsey's guilty? We get it already.

I never said Stevie was innocent but I do think Lindsey is at fault for his termination.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by jmn3

You clearly lack knowledge of the law. Oral contracts do exist, are valid and enforceable.

We'll see what the judge says I guess. And yeah I'm not a lawyer.

[rhiannondontgo]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

There was no contract. It was an oral agreement.

The thing is, in CA oral agreements are usually treated just like written contracts. However, lawsuits over oral contracts generally are 3x harder to win than lawsuits over written contracts. Lindsey would only have a chance if he were able to prove the existence and validity of the oral agreements he claims took place. Unlike a written contact on paper with signatures, an oral agreement isn’t tangible. He has to prove that these promises were made to him orally. He could possibly prove it via witness testimony of other people who heard these agreements take place. Or perhaps even evidence in voicemails/emails/letters from managers/band members about these agreements that they supposedly made. Even if he were to prove that an agreement took place, the band could claim that said tour agreement was for Fleetwood Mac and the minute he was fired from Fleetwood Mac, he stopped being included in the agreements about the tour. So after proving that the oral agreement took place, he would still have to prove that he was wrongfully terminated without just cause and deserves to still be a partner.
I still think FM has the upper hand. But they both have a decent case IMO. Depends on how much each side can prove. We’ll see.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by saniette

Right, they'll do whatever Azoff tells them. Not exactly a moral defense though, and makes them look spineless.

I'm sure they were advised by their lawyer. We don't know what their defense it yet.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by DeepBlueDee

Isn't that pretty much the definition of an oral contract???

While more difficult to prove, an oral contract is, to the best of my knowledge, valid and binding, with the appropriate evidence to back it up.

https://www.lawdepot.com/blog/are-ve...gally-binding/

That's for the judge to decide.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

'Scheme' Gene $immons is all about the dollar/profits...sure the upcoming "final tour" (Heard that one before there Gene) will rake in more $$$.

They will be touring via hologram after they pass. I'm sure of it.

[rhiannondontgo]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I'm sure they were advised by their lawyer. We don't know what their defense it yet.

Absolutely. I saw people irate over John replying to LB with “I’m not supposed to talk to you” as if this is some kids’ clubhouse and Stevie put a sign up that says “No Lindsey Allowed”. Ridiculous. John (and the other members) refusing to have any contact with LB isn’t personal and isn’t at the direction of any band member. They’ve been expecting this suit (Lindsey even said in his statement he’s been trying to get a settlement from them for 8 months now), so their legal teams & managers would absolutely recommend them not to interact with a man who is plotting to take them to court. That’s just common sense. If one band member were to say the wrong thing without first getting the advice of their lawyers, they could sink an entire case against them that affects not just the other 3 band members but their contracted players, management, and countless employees as well. Of course they’re going to ignore LB.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by jmn3

So obviously you believe that all the dirty laundry that will come out about Lindsey will do him in or something. But, the street runneth both ways. Do you not think that some pretty awful things could come out from Lindsey's side about the four of them (plus God forbid, the patron saint of chiffon, glitter farts, and wellllllll's, Karen). You're insinuation that Lindsey is nothing but an aggressive, physically abusive lout makes it seem like Mick, John, Chris and Stephanie are just angels sitting by 'taking it' from big bad Lindsey for all of these years. I'm sure the five of them could all bring down the other four in a mutually assured destruction court proceeding. This will never go to a trial.

I don't think any of them are angels. But Lindsey was fired and brought suit and that's what we're talking about, Lindsey and his actions. I don't think he's a lout but he does have a history of abusive behavior toward men and women. I do think this is going to trial. The lawyer they hired reinforces that belief. They didn't hire a guy that is known for settling. He's one of the attorneys involved in the longest legal case in the LA court system. It's been ongoing since 1991.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I don't think any of them are angels. But Lindsey was fired and brought suit and that's what we're talking about, Lindsey and his actions. I don't think he's a lout but he does have a history of abusive behavior toward men and women. I do think this is going to trial. The lawyer they hired reinforces that belief. They didn't hire a guy that is known for settling. He's one of the attorneys involved in the longest legal case in the LA court system. It's been ongoing since 1991.

They'll all be dead before it's settled! And spent a LOT of money on lawyers' fees. With their legacy irreparably damaged.

[saniette]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I don't think any of them are angels. But Lindsey was fired and brought suit and that's what we're talking about, Lindsey and his actions. I don't think he's a lout but he does have a history of abusive behavior toward men and women. I do think this is going to trial. The lawyer they hired reinforces that belief. They didn't hire a guy that is known for settling. He's one of the attorneys involved in the longest legal case in the LA court system. It's been ongoing since 1991.

I disagree. This lawsuit will probably be settled out of court, unless Lindsey really wants to stick to the figure he's asking. Dan Petrocelli represented the Eagles when they were sued by Don Felder, and that was settled. And if it's settled out of court, we'll never get all of the details and the members won't be able to discuss it. So we may never know all the dirty laundry after all.

And we're also talking about FM's actions. It's ridiculous to only look at this lawsuit as Lindsey doing something to them. They fired him, and he has every right to sue.

[Buster]

Those who are saying we now have the complete truth, or even that we have Lindsey’s full side of the story are basically saying he was fired for smirking at Stevie and complaining about an Intro song.

Is it not clear to everyone that of course there is more?

As for FM lying on CBS, perhaps that was the band protecting Lindsey by not dragging him through the mud.

I don’t know what Lindsey did or if it justified being fired but common sense says there is more. I think it started at Classic where he was clearly in a horrible mood and went through the negotiations and culminated at MusiCares.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by jwd

They'll all be dead before it's settled! And spent a LOT of money on lawyers' fees. With their legacy irreparably damaged.

That's another thing. Lawyers are expensive. If Lindsey loses he could be on the hook for FM's legal fees.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Buster

Those who are saying we now have the complete truth, or even that we have Lindsey’s full side of the story are basically saying he was fired for smirking at Stevie and complaining about an Intro song.

Is it not clear to everyone that of course there is more?

As for FM lying on CBS, perhaps that was the band protecting Lindsey by not dragging him through the mud.

I don’t know what Lindsey did or if it justified being fired but common sense says there is more. I think it started at Classic where he was clearly in a horrible mood and went through the negotiations and culminated at MusiCares.

Believing we have the full story supports the keep on hating Stevie contingent. There's so much sexism and misogyny wrapped up in it it's mind boggling.