The Dance tour, Thrown Down, and Fall From Grace...

dissention · #1 07-21-2003, 06:07 PM

Seeing as how both of these songs were written during the Dance tour, it's really interesting when you listen to them together. Play Thrown Down and then Fall From Grace; it's VERY interesting:

"He fell for her again
She watched it happen
Every day, day by day
But more important, night by night
She's watched it all come in to play
He held her hand
She listened to what he had to say

THEN

You say your sorry
Now you should walk away
But it's so overwhelming you have nothing left to say
You can sit outside his door and wait
Well, you can dedicate your pain to him"

Quickly follow it with FFG:

"I choose to be his confidant
And to keep him from the fire
I choose to be quietly discreet
If that is his desire
I touch with gossamer wings to be quiet around him
There is so much going on
You could easily wake up with a stranger
It's not something that you plan...

....not all the kings horses
Not all the kings men could put it back together

And now alone in my room as it all begins again
Was I so wrong why am I always so intense
In this same place I sit
The same place as before
Well, I came all the way here just to watch you walk out that door

I didn't ask when you shook your head
I always accepted what you said as the truth
And the truth only
It's not enough that you depend on me
And it's not enough that you say you love me
It's not enough to just save face"

Anyone else thinking what I'm thinking?

strandinthewind · #2 07-21-2003, 07:12 PM

Well, the demo of Fall From Grace has some of those lyrics in different places which I think alters the meaning somewhat.

In any event, I think the line "its not enough that you 'SAY that you love me" is an oblique but nice slam on Chris for leaving. I base this on my sense that when she sings "Say You Love that you Love ME" it reminds me of the way she sings on the song by that title. Also, the line "Well, I came all the way here just to watch you walk out that door" and "its not enough that you depend on me" could also very much apply to Chris.

These are just my thoughts, albeit unsubstantiated. I would LOVE to know the story there though!!!!

dissention · #3 07-21-2003, 07:45 PM

You know, I thought the same thing as you; that it might be about Chris. But then I figured that the song was just too intense and angry to be about her, y'know? I think it's Lindsey.

Unless it's about one of her Yorkies and we're both wrong.

WednesdaysChild · #4 07-21-2003, 08:19 PM

I thought the "SAY YOU LOVE ME" line from "Fall From Grace" was play on the song "Say You Love Me," meant as a "slap" at Lindsey, thinking about all the times they had to sing backing vocals on Chris's song. I didn't think she was singing about Chris directly... I'm saying Lindsey.

Merf · #5 07-21-2003, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by WednesdaysChild
I thought the "SAY YOU LOVE ME" line from "Fall From Grace" was play on the song "Say You Love Me," meant as a "slap" at Lindsey, thinking about all the times they had to sing backing vocals on Chris's song. I didn't think she was singing about Chris directly... I'm saying Lindsey.

Jen: I totally agree, on burnish i saw recently that she wrote Fall From Grace on the Dance Tour in her hotel room [in Nash?], and she has said that basically it's about touring and being on stage with FM, because "that would always be about [her] and Lindsey" but we all know there's more to that story

I love that song~

oh and Thrown Down is definitely about Lindsey and how things were between them in 1997, she's admitted that.

oh the DRAMA!!! to be a fly on the wall during that tour~

WednesdaysChild · #6 07-21-2003, 09:49 PM

Yeah Meredith!

(there's no cheer smiley, so this will have to do)

She's definitely being sarcastic with the phrase "it's not enough that you SAY YOU LOVE ME!"

I would like to be a fly with the ability to be many places at once...Lindsey's house, Stevie's house, etc.

Or I could have been an insider, like Judy Wong, had I been born 40 years earlier!

sara1998 · #7 07-21-2003, 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by Merf
oh and Thrown Down is definitely about Lindsey and how things were between them in 1997, she's admitted that.

I think it's obvious Thrown Down is about Lindsey. But I didn't know she admitted it. Where did you get that from, please? I'd like to read that article!

Maria

strandinthewind · #8 07-22-2003, 08:46 AM

At http://www.nicksfix.com/stevies_journal.htm - from the Nicksfix (kudos to John!!!!) in the September 23, 2001 entry, Stevie mentions this.

WednesdaysChild · #9 07-22-2003, 09:10 AM

Hmmm, very interesting! I love her journals--she really is talking to US

bootylicous · #10 07-22-2003, 03:15 PM

The line from FFG where Stevie sings "you wouldn't do this for very long, the applause from it all was so defining" - I think this is about Christine, and how she only toured for a fe months for the Dance when everybody else wanted to keep going.

-Evan

Sugar · #11 07-22-2003, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by bootylicous
The line from FFG where Stevie sings "you wouldn't do this for very long, the applause from it all was so defining" - I think this is about Christine, and how she only toured for a fe months for the Dance when everybody else wanted to keep going.

-Evan

Hmmmmm...interesting...makes me wonder if Christine is the "high preistess...keeper of the peace in this..." could make sense...

Sorcerer386 · #12 07-22-2003, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by Sugar
Hmmmmm...interesting...makes me wonder if Christine is the "high preistess...keeper of the peace in this..." could make sense...

I think Stevie is referring to herself as the "high priestess," the "keeper of the peace in this." She's mentioned a couple times, most memorable to me in the Behind the Music, that "[she] tried to keep the peace." Plus, she refers to herself a lot as a princess, priestess, etc.

strandinthewind · #13 07-22-2003, 06:15 PM

I think the "this for very long" thing could also be about Stevie and how she repeatedly said in interviews in the late 70's and early 80's that she did not plan to be doing this in her 40's or that it could be taken away due to lack of popularity. But, they both seem to fit.

GardenStateGirlie · #14 07-22-2003, 06:48 PM

I choose to be his confidant
And to keep him from the fire
I choose to be quietly discreet
If that is his desire
I touch with gossamer wings
To be quiet around you
There is so much going on
You could easily
Wake up with a stranger

It's not something that you plan
One night in a world of pain
And you finally understand
Not all the king's horses, not all the king's men
Could put it back together

You say you wouldn't do this for very long
The applause from it all is so defining
Well it bounces off the wall at you
When the miracle is happening
High priestess...she's the keeper of the peace in this
Twice as much, intensified
What people will do
To get...this...high

It's not something that you plan
One night in a world of pain
And you finally understand
Not all the king's horses, not all the king's men
Could put it back together

And now alone in my room
As it all begins again
Was I so wrong
Why am I always so intense?
In this same place I sit
The same place as before
Well I came all the way here
Just to watch you walk out that door

I didn't ask when you shook your head
I always accepted what you said
As the truth and the truth only
Well, it's not enough that you depend on me
And it's not enough that you say you love me
It's not enough to just save face
Because sometimes
You just fall from grace

Sometimes
You just fall from grace

Maybe I am calmer now
Maybe things are fine
Maybe I made the whole thing up
Maybe it isn't a lie
Maybe the reason I say these things
Is to bring you back alive
Maybe I fought this long and this hard
Just to make sure you survive
Just to make sure you survive

You say you wouldn't do this for very long
The applause from it all is so defining. The song, hands down, is about Lindsey. He was apprehensive about joining Fleetwood Mac again and Stevie had to call him and hear it from him in order to believe that it was going to happen. They reunited, the fans loved it, they applauded...that was a defining moment for him...he knew he should be there...he knew it's where he belonged.

Now, I have pleanty of other interpretations of the song but since this is THE LEDGE and we don't discuss it, i'll just grab my cotton ball and quietly sit back down

Merf · #15 07-22-2003, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by sara1998
I think it's obvious Thrown Down is about Lindsey. But I didn't know she admitted it. Where did you get that from, please? I'd like to read that article!

Maria

Hey Maria

Here ya go~ I got this from the Stevie Nicks Underground.

[On the line 'You're not like other people/You do what you want to do']:

'That line sums Lindsey [Buckingham] up,' says [Stevie] Nicks with a laugh. ''But he loves it. He loves the fact that I write about him. It makes him happy.''
~The Boston Globe, 4-18-03

"'Thrown Down' is about Lindsey [Buckingham] ," [Stevie] Nicks admits, "but I wrote that around the time of the Dance tour in 1997. Let's just say he continues to be a well of inspiration, which is terrific."
~The Independent, 4-18-03

xx Meredith