Who Has Given Up ??

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by michelej1

If Lindsey had toured with Tango he was going to have extra musicians with FM himself.

Ironically, it would have been Billy Burnette.

The sheer number of musicians had nothing to do with the “lounge act” aspersions he cast. It’s the way the musicians were utilized. It’s the same thing with the microphone. Lindsey did not say that Stevie was Vegas because she used the microphone, she says he said she was Vegas because of HOW she used it.

Like…singing into it?

But you invented an argument where none existed.

No, I found an comically awkward picture of Stevie and Lindsey and thought it would be funny in a discussion about shippers.

[sue]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Good god, I wish I had a bullet right now. Y'all are f**king exhausting.

Exhausting, but helpful sometimes.
I suffer from insomnia and turn to these pages for an aid to sleep.

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Good god, I wish I had a bullet right now. Y'all are f**king exhausting.

And the Queen’s fans must be proud of their new acquisition

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Yeah, facts and what not…

Haha no, Steve that is not what I said. I was not disputing your numbers. I simply meant I wasn't going to engage in a debate about twenty years worth of tour dates and album sales.

But thanks for drawing conclusions, again.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Okay, but don’t get pissed off when the one who worked harder got inducted for a second time.

Again, I never said I was pissed off.

I still don't understand your continuous need to single me out despite the fact I have explained multiple times my intent was meant with no malice to anyone.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

That’s the thing, though. In that time, she kicked cocaine AND klonopin. She went from her peak to her absolute worst to her redemption.

What did Lindsey do during that time?

Plus, are people not allowed to have had low points? Or, do those just always get to be thrown back at them? (Sometimes even I am allowed to fall.)

Are people not allowed to back away from a situation and focus on making an album for a few years. Using your own words, why is that being thrown back at Lindsey?

[saniette]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Five years, though? “Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band” was recorded in six months and “Pet Sounds” in nine months. It’s not like a lot of OOTC wasn’t derivative of his past work. It was hardly revolutionary, broke much new ground, shed any new light on Lindsey, or warranted a five year wait. It sounded a lot like Tango II, which if you think about the Tusk-after-Rumours storyline, is something of a betrayal. I mean, I’m supposed to accept that His Genius is a genius for breaking the mold after Rumours, but did something completely within the mold thirteen years later, after a five year absence?


I think John’s album and ITM aged better than the rest, but they have a timeless quality to them. They’re not monster, revolutionary albums, nor were they trying to be, but they’re not embarrassing.

Fact: Artists generally take longer between albums than they did in the 60s. So false equivalency. Not to mention 6-9 months was considered a long time for an album back then, like 5 years would be now.

And your opinion about the quality of their respective albums isn't any more valid than anyone else's. You're making excuses for Christine. A solo career means you release solo albums, and hers did just okay. If she released an album, she wasn't in retirement, so why would different standards apply?

My opinion is that OOTC is better than Stevie's 2 albums released in the same time frame. But quantity over quality, that's the corporate rock way, right?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

No, I found an comically awkward picture of Stevie and Lindsey and thought it would be funny in a discussion about shippers.

And I made a shipper comment about it as I do think the photo proved their grudging and abiding attachment to one another and also that you can never break the FM chain. At least you couldn't then. Now, that chain has been melted down for scrap metal.

[David]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Nope. Not giving that one to him. His comments have been out of line. He criticized them for doing exactly what he did. Christine only had five extra musicians, did almost all of her album, as well as deep cuts. She was much, much less the “lounge act” even the genius couldn’t escape.

You don't understand what he meant by "lounge act," despite the fact that I've explained it to you. You insist, still, that it had something to do with FM vs. solo songs and the number of musicians onstage (!). You also don't seem to understand the difference between an aesthetic judgment and a personal one, constantly insisting that this guy's criticism of artistic matters is "out of line"—as in "personal attack" (like your nonsense about the East–West shows).

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

In the 21 years between the end of the “Mirage” tour and SYW, Lindsey only did three studio albums (Go Insane, TITN, and OOTC) and two tours (about 90 shows). In that same time, Stevie did SEVEN studio albums and TEN tours (over 550 shows). Furthermore, in the 23 years between the BTM tour and OWTS, Christine did two studio albums and one tour (47 shows).

This is the sociologist in you—ever the sociologist—counting, counting, counting . . . amassing data . . . putting up the numbers on the overhead . . . navigating the Excel spreadsheets and running the formulae . . . as if any of this had anything to do with anything. The funny thing is that we could respond to you in exactly those data-fixated terms and still prove your conclusions daft. For example, how silly is a dry comparison of his album count with her album count, when he's the singer, songwriter, producer/orchestrator, engineer, and sometimes even the album cover or sleeve artist? Circumstances between the two aren't quite so smoothly aligned as to make a dry comparison of numbers in any way supportive of your point. Oh, I forgot—you're not counting Tango as a solo album, but it actually was.

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

While Lindsey was basking in the glow of his own genius, Stevie was busting her ass.

You're using his low ebb of initiative to draw an equivalence with her nonstop release of shoddy junk? Are you that confused about art, commerce, and life?

[SorcererJP]

Another predictable, biased thread filled with haters and frustrated, people who cannot seem to let it go ...

I just fly in from The Netherlands to NYC last month to see my favorite band, yes a new line-up ... but I gave them a fair chance, twice .... and I will see hem in June in my part of the globe once again ....

It was worth every single euro ... I have not given up and I'll never will ....

[David]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

It’s not like a lot of OOTC wasn’t derivative of his past work. It was hardly revolutionary, broke much new ground, shed any new light on Lindsey, or warranted a five year wait. It sounded a lot like Tango II, which if you think about the Tusk-after-Rumours storyline, is something of a betrayal.

The aesthete speaks.

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I think John’s album and ITM aged better than the rest, but they have a timeless quality to them. They’re not monster, revolutionary albums, nor were they trying to be, but they’re not embarrassing.

The aesthete speaks again. My advice is to let your career as a music critic begin and end with that fantastically idiotic judgment.

[tsitopen]

Originally Posted by David

The aesthete speaks.

The aesthete speaks again. My advice is to let your career as a music critic begin and end with that fantastically idiotic judgment.

oh that's too good. SMACKDOUG hasn't changed a bit. Line by line responses to everyone and everything. Ridiculous statements about s**t records. Also a few ridiculous statements about decent records. But i mean calling the John Mcvie solo album timeless takes the cake. That's one of the worst records I've ever heard in any genre.

I didn't realize you guys fought each other now but it's super enjoyable.

[BigAl84]

Five years, though? “Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band” was recorded in six months and “Pet Sounds” in nine months. It’s not like a lot of OOTC wasn’t derivative of his past work. It was hardly revolutionary, broke much new ground, shed any new light on Lindsey, or warranted a five year wait.

How many years was it between Street Angel and Trouble In Shangri-La - 6 years or so? By your own logic, TISL has no merit either or is that now a profound masterpiece? Let me know if I've mistaken.

[BigAl84]

Wait you guys....One Man Show was made in 2 HOURS!!!!

[BigAl84]

Five years, though? “Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band” was recorded in six months and “Pet Sounds” in nine months. It’s not like a lot of OOTC wasn’t derivative of his past work. It was hardly revolutionary, broke much new ground, shed any new light on Lindsey, or warranted a five year wait.

What's really ironic, if you take this exact quote and replace OTTC with Bella Donna, replace Lindsey with "Stevie" you would be labeled as somebody spreading rage fueled rhetoric and asked to leave an entire forum, by the same person who wrote the original quote.

Funny how that works.