"Off-kilter debut"; LB wanted obscure material; Au/NZ tour end of 2019?

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Murrow

And now Lindsey's gone they haven't got much choice BUT to fish for some deeper cuts.

That was probably wrong. Mick and Stevie talked about doing pre-75 songs last summer, when LBCM, Stevie, and Mick were on their respective tours. I could see that being one source of conflict, a straw, that led to the current situation.

[David]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

That was probably wrong. Mick and Stevie talked about doing pre-75 songs last summer, when LBCM, Stevie, and Mick were on their respective tours. I could see that being one source of conflict, a straw, that led to the current situation.

I can, too. Lindsey's the kind of guy—the kind of musician—who would undoubtedly prefer to cut new tracks and play them out live rather than reach back to a mouldering catalogue. Not that reaching back into a mouldering catalogue can't be kind of kicky and fun—it can. But it's a different sort of artistic statement, and it's never been the statement Lindsey wanted to make. His business and art have always been about working on something new (sometimes mixing the new with the old to give everything a kaleidoscopic effect—consider his recorded covers of Tin Pan Alley, Broadway, and mid-century pop). He experiments with ways to make the new (and the old) resonate a little differently. His aesthetic is antithetical to the standard rock procedure of making those hits sound like the record onstage. The thought of dredging up some old Green or Kirwan and presenting it straightforwardly undoubtedly didn't excite him.

[secondhandchain]

Meanwhile when STEVIE wants to take 3 years off between tours it doesn't matter what the team says. She's a freaking piece of work.

[sodascouts]

Lindsey: Let's work up something new for our tour!

Rest of band: How about Station Man instead?

Lindsey: I think it's more creativity satisfying to do new material, or at least relatively new... but Stevie, if it's really important to you, you could sacrifice one of your songs to fit it in...

Stevie: Hell no!

Narrative now: "Lindsey selfishly never allowed us to do any material from before his tenure in the band."

[Aussie W/Heart]

Originally Posted by sodascouts

Lindsey: Let's work up something new for our tour!

Rest of band: How about Station Man instead?

Lindsey: I think it's more creativity satisfying to do new material, or at least relatively new... but Stevie, if it's really important to you, you could sacrifice one of your songs to fit it in...

Stevie: Hell no!

Narrative now: "Lindsey selfishly never allowed us to do any material from before his tenure in the band."

This sounds about right

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by sodascouts

Lindsey: Let's work up something new for our tour!

Rest of band: How about Station Man instead?

Lindsey: I think it's more creativity satisfying to do new material, or at least relatively new... but Stevie, if it's really important to you, you could sacrifice one of your songs to fit it in...

Stevie: Hell no!

Narrative now: "Lindsey selfishly never allowed us to do any material from before his tenure in the band."

This is exactly how $he thinks.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Mick and Stevie talked about doing pre-75 songs last summer, when LBCM, Stevie, and Mick were on their respective tours.

Actually it was Stevie who had mentioned to Mick that she wanted to delve deeper into the catalog, but she was referring to the songs from 1975 thru present days, not the pre LB & SN times.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by vivfox

Actually it was Stevie who had mentioned to Mick that she wanted to delve deeper into the catalog, but she was referring to the songs from 1975 thru present days, not the pre LB & SN times.

Are you sure about that? Remember, Mick was working his early years coffee table book and Stevie has been the most vocal about doing early years songs.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Mick and Stevie talked about doing pre-75 songs last summer, when LBCM, Stevie, and Mick were on their respective tours. I could see that being one source of conflict, a straw, that led to the current situation.

Originally Posted by vivfox

Actually it was Stevie who had mentioned to Mick that she wanted to delve deeper into the catalog, but she was referring to the songs from 1975 thru present days, not the pre LB & SN times.

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Are you sure about that? Remember, Mick was working his early years coffee table book and Stevie has been the most vocal about doing early years songs.

Stevie referred to the pre 1975 songs only after Lindsey was fired.

[sodascouts]

Originally Posted by vivfox

Stevie referred to the pre 1975 songs only after Lindsey was fired.

I think vivfox is right. Thinking back, I've never heard her express a desire to dig out "old chestnuts" before Lindsey was fired, and her clueless comment that "Station Man" - which she said was one of her favorites - was sung by Christine McVie (sung, co-written, oops none of the above, "whatever" lol) bears out the theory that she hadn't exactly been spending a lot of time immersing herself in Fleetwood Mac's back catalog.

[Buster]

There was some article posted before the firing with Mick saying that he and Stevie met in Italy and she said she was interested in going deep into their catalog to do songs they haven’t done live. I don’t think it was clear if she meant pre or post 1975 catalog.

Regardless, I don’t think any of this has anything to do with why Lindsey was fired.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Buster

There was some article posted before the firing with Mick saying that he and Stevie met in Italy and she said she was interested in going deep into their catalog to do songs they haven’t done live. I don’t think it was clear if she meant pre or post 1975 catalog.

Regardless, I don’t think any of this has anything to do with why Lindsey was fired.

Christine and Mick have both said they want to do specifically HER pre 75 songs , specifically songs from Mystery to Me during many of the Sirius interviews

[ryan4136]

Originally Posted by Buster

There was some article posted before the firing with Mick saying that he and Stevie met in Italy and she said she was interested in going deep into their catalog to do songs they haven’t done live. I don’t think it was clear if she meant pre or post 1975 catalog.

Regardless, I don’t think any of this has anything to do with why Lindsey was fired.

In retrospect I think that comment in that article was a "trail balloon" LB wanting to play new songs, and the two of them using deep tracks (instead of new songs) as an approach to see if LB would swing in that direction.

Negotiation through the press.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by sodascouts

I think vivfox is right. Thinking back, I've never heard her express a desire to dig out "old chestnuts" before Lindsey was fired,

Except that she’s the one who started the whole process of revisiting the buried past, starting with “Without You” and by bringing out things like “Crying In The Night” last year. She was digging deep into her own catalog, while Mick was traveling around Europe talking about Fleetwood Mac’s pre-1975 years promoting his book. It would be easy to see the discussion being about doing the early material. They were both in that frame of mind.

and her clueless comment that "Station Man" - which she said was one of her favorites - was sung by Christine McVie (sung, co-written, oops none of the above, "whatever" lol)

Yep. Stevie clearly knows nothing about Station Man. I bet she’s never heard it.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Yep. Stevie clearly knows nothing about Station Man. I bet she’s never heard it.

LOL Stevie and Lindsey performed Station Man all thru the White album Tour and the beginning of the Rumours Tour. You knew that, right?