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Old 10-25-2020, 07:46 AM
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A true narcissist typically does not know that.
Especially, when she lies so much to herself and the media.
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Despit her self-aggrandizing delusions about feminism, she absolutely has lived most of her life according to the traditional gender roles that were in place when she was born in the 1940s and growing up in the 1950s. She still feels like men are the ones with power and therefore are the ones she wants to align herself with, emulate, and charm into letting her into their club. And she can flirt and get them to help her do the hard stuff, because she doesn't ever want to do the heavy lifting.
I concur. Stevie’s feminism seems to be a function (or even result) of her worldwide success rather than a driver of it. I was thinking about a very different rocker, Chrissie Hynde, whose feminism drove her success — it spurred it. Hynde’s attitude was always self-assertion in order to get some result; Stevie’s was to bend in some way to men (other sings, producers, the men in her family) to stroke them and generate some response that she desired. Far be it from me to say that one approach is better or worse than another, but Stevie is definitely different from someone very different, like Hynde.

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Old 10-25-2020, 03:28 PM
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I concur. Stevie’s feminism seems to be a function (or even result) of her worldwide success rather than a driver of it. I was thinking about a very different rocker, Chrissie Hynde, whose feminism drove her success — it spurred it. Hynde’s attitude was always self-assertion in order to get some result; Stevie’s was to bend in some way to men (other sings, producers, the men in her family) to stroke them and generate some response that she desired. Far be it from me to say that one approach is better or worse than another, but Stevie is definitely different from someone very different, like Hynde.

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Absolutely. I do indeed remember all the MTV interviews with Hynde. CH came off as someone with an agenda. Stevie was busy being rock royalty. I don't fault her for that. I was fascinated by her and Christine. But to say Stevie was a pioneer for women? Maybe by default.
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Old 10-26-2020, 05:40 AM
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Absolutely. I do indeed remember all the MTV interviews with Hynde. CH came off as someone with an agenda. Stevie was busy being rock royalty. I don't fault her for that. I was fascinated by her and Christine. But to say Stevie was a pioneer for women? Maybe by default.
I'd say there's a bigger argument for saying that Christine was a pioneer for women, especially when she was one of the few women involved in the blues scene in the late 60's/early 70's.
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I'd say there's a bigger argument for saying that Christine was a pioneer for women, especially when she was one of the few women involved in the blues scene in the late 60's/early 70's.
I think your right, the British blues scene in the 6O’s was very much a male world, with very few women, Christine did more than just hold her own.
I think she calls a spade a spade and is very down to earth, straight talking.

It may be different in The USA,( you would see more of her)...but I’ve never thought of Stevie as a feminist, using your feminine charms to get your way, is not feminism...
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Old 10-26-2020, 11:09 AM
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I think your right, the British blues scene in the 6O’s was very much a male world, with very few women, Christine did more than just hold her own.
I think she calls a spade a spade and is very down to earth, straight talking.

It may be different in The USA,( you would see more of her)...but I’ve never thought of Stevie as a feminist, using your feminine charms to get your way, is not feminism...
I agree. Chrissie Hynde had far more in common with our Christine than $tevie.

Using your honey pot to get your way isn't feminism. It's the opposite!

$he's such a trailblazer.
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I agree. Chrissie Hynde had far more in common with our Christine than $tevie.

Using your honey pot to get your way isn't feminism. It's the opposite!

$he's such a trailblazer.
Doesn't shaking a taped tambourine out of time count for anything?
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Doesn't shaking a taped tambourine out of time count for anything?
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Old 10-26-2020, 07:39 PM
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Christine is definitely the trailblazer for women in rock. Like many trailblazers, she is woefully undersung. The very thing that made her such a pioneer—ie: her love of the music and her desire to help shape it as a player—kept her from drawing more recognition. And that’s the way she has always preferred it.

But even if some important critic were to acknowledge Christine’s pioneering work, the general public wouldn’t much care. She lacks what Stevie has: mass appeal. For me, Christine will always be the heart of FM from 1970 onward. But to most people she isn’t charismatic or outrageous enough to be a focal point, the center of stardom.
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Christine is definitely the trailblazer for women in rock. Like many trailblazers, she is woefully undersung. The very thing that made her such a pioneer—ie: her love of the music and her desire to help shape it as a player—kept her from drawing more recognition. And that’s the way she has always preferred it.

But even if some important critic were to acknowledge Christine’s pioneering work, the general public wouldn’t much care. She lacks what Stevie has: mass appeal. For me, Christine will always be the heart of FM from 1970 onward. But to most people she isn’t charismatic or outrageous enough to be a focal point, the center of stardom.
So beautifully stated. I feel the same way. One is bloated with fame and ego. The other is elegant, funny, and humble.
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So beautifully stated. I feel the same way. One is bloated with fame and ego. The other is elegant, funny, and humble.
It figures that two western-NYS born guys with the same birthdate would be of the same mind
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But even if some important critic were to acknowledge Christine’s pioneering work, the general public wouldn’t much care. She lacks what Stevie has: mass appeal. For me, Christine will always be the heart of FM from 1970 onward. But to most people she isn’t charismatic or outrageous enough to be a focal point, the center of stardom.
Lindsey lacks the mass appeal, too. I'm often amazed that $tevie's fans focus on what $he's wearing. Now that's some deep sh*t.

Christine has been the heart of FM for my entire fandom.

Oh yeah, did you notice what she's wearing today? It simply doesn't matter. Some of us focus on the music, and not someone wearing the same ridiculous outfit for decades, or how many spins they can still huff out without falling down.
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I just think Christine has the edge because she’s a musician, in addition to being a singer and true songwriter.
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Christine definitely takes a different conservative view of women in rock and rock stars in general. I love her 1980 interview where sort of states there is no difference for men and women in rock n roll. She admits women can be harassed but says if you are not being harassed you should worry. Her sense of humor comes out especially when she answers the question if she is introverted and she responds "depends on how drunk I am."
I also love the counter point of so many rock stars who complain how "hard" it is life on the road. She exclaims how pampered they all are.

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But Christine remembered that when they were poor and on the road, she could not even get any alone time with her husband.
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