Interesting read

[Norton]

I just came across this, I dont think anyone had posted it before.

http://guitarplayer.wordpress.com/20...n-guitar-hero/

[Popmuseum]

Originally Posted by Norton

I just came across this, I dont think anyone had posted it before.

http://guitarplayer.wordpress.com/20...n-guitar-hero/

Very interesting. Thanx.

[sharksfan2000]

Thanks for posting this, Norton! Great info on the equipment and recording process.

[kowk]

Originally Posted by Norton

I just came across this, I dont think anyone had posted it before.

http://guitarplayer.wordpress.com/20...n-guitar-hero/

Thanks for this link -it's a very interesting article.
Krzysztof

[snoot]

Not bad, but arguably a bit one-sided re Peter Green. PG was definitely the leader and driving force behind the original blues-rock Mac unit, no doubt about it. FM wouldn't have achieved the fame they did without Peter's immense input. That's a given also. But to completely overlook Danny Kirwan in the preface, with the counterpoint and weight he provided, or even Jeremy Spencer for his stage presence and comic relief, is a fairly sizable omission. To its credit, the article does improve by adding more depth later on when discussing the respective equipment the guys used, and some of the techniques employed. For that I give it a B+.

As I see it, when sizing up the Green-led Mac, those 3 principals pretty much fuse as one. Anything less and you're splitting hairs mostly. Case in point: what would Then Play On be without Kirwan's heady supplement?

PS. It's like yappin' a tad too enthusiastically about Duane Allman (RIP) and his contro to ABB while conveniently forgetting Dicky Betts. Ain't gonna fly in the long run for those in the know.

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by snoot

PS. It's like yappin' a tad too enthusiastically about Duane Allman (RIP) and his contro to ABB while conveniently forgetting Dicky Betts. Ain't gonna fly in the long run for those in the know.

Dickey Betts wouldn't have been "Dickey Betts" without Duane Allman...Duane pushed Dickey to be better than he was... in the same way Danny Kirwan & Jeremy Spencer wouldn't have been who they were without Peter Green. Peter set the standard and Danny & Jeremy had to "up their game" to keep up.

[snoot]

Originally Posted by chiliD

Dickey Betts wouldn't have been "Dickey Betts" without Duane Allman...Duane pushed Dickey to be better than he was... in the same way Danny Kirwan & Jeremy Spencer wouldn't have been who they were without Peter Green. Peter set the standard and Danny & Jeremy had to "up their game" to keep up.

Dickey Betts was quite good right from the start. He fueled Duane with his great compositions every bit as much as Duane fueled him with his masterful licks. Also ABB would never reach the heights they did without Betts key contributions. Most of their hits came from his hand, with Gregg being a pretty close second. As for his instrumental abilities, the fact that he could carry on as the band's solo guitarist after Duane's death, even taking the band to further heights of popularity, should be proof of his guitar mastery. I'll never take anything away from Duane though; even Eric Clapton was blown away by his playing in Miami. And I'll give you your key point, that he certainly pushed DB to his guitar picking limits.

You also make the mistake many others do in equating Jeremy's prowess on the instrument with Kirwan's. Spencer was no match in that regard, so much so that Green's last masterpiece with the band, the Then Play On project, didn't even require Spencer. That was all Green + Kirwan on those layered riffs. Jeremy was a master of the stage, a competent slide guitarist into the bargain, a great rock n roller and parody "character", but an axemeister of Green or Kirwan's caliber, NO (even Spencer has conceded as much).

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by snoot

Dickey Betts was quite good right from the start. He fueled Duane with his great compositions every bit as much as Duane fueled him with his masterful licks. Also ABB would never reach the heights they did without Betts key contributions. Most of their hits came from his hand, with Gregg being a pretty close second. As for his instrumental abilities, the fact that he could carry on as the band's solo guitarist after Duane's death, even taking the band to further heights of popularity, should be proof of his guitar mastery. I'll never take anything away from Duane though; even Eric Clapton was blown away by his playing in Miami. And I'll give you your key point, that he certainly pushed DB to his guitar picking limits.

You also make the mistake many others do in equating Jeremy's prowess on the instrument with Kirwan's. Spencer was no match in that regard, so much so that Green's last masterpiece with the band, the Then Play On project, didn't even require Spencer. That was all Green + Kirwan on those layered riffs. Jeremy was a master of the stage, a competent slide guitarist into the bargain, a great rock n roller and parody "character", but an axemeister of Green or Kirwan's caliber, NO (even Spencer has conceded as much).

I made no mistake, you misinterpreted my comment. I know very well who's on Then Play On. I never inferred, implied that Jeremy was anywhere near the guitarist of Green or Kirwan. BUT, Peter pushed Jeremy as well...not as much as a guitarist (but, Jeremy went from "competent" slide player, to a master slide player during that stretch as well), but as a performer. Sure, Jeremy admits he was "lazy", but that he became who he became during his Fleetwood Mac tenure was more from prodding from Peter (who was pretty much a perfectionist).

[slipkid]

Originally Posted by snoot

Not bad, but arguably a bit one-sided re Peter Green. PG was definitely the leader and driving force behind the original blues-rock Mac unit, no doubt about it. FM wouldn't have achieved the fame they did without Peter's immense input. That's a given also. But to completely overlook Danny Kirwan in the preface, with the counterpoint and weight he provided, or even Jeremy Spencer for his stage presence and comic relief, is a fairly sizable omission. To its credit, the article does improve by adding more depth later on when discussing the respective equipment the guys used, and some of the techniques employed. For that I give it a B+.

As I see it, when sizing up the Green-led Mac, those 3 principals pretty much fuse as one. Anything less and you're splitting hairs mostly. Case in point: what would Then Play On be without Kirwan's heady supplement?

PS. It's like yappin' a tad too enthusiastically about Duane Allman (RIP) and his contro to ABB while conveniently forgetting Dicky Betts. Ain't gonna fly in the long run for those in the know.

Well the article isn't about the rest of Fleetwood Mac, it's about Peter Green. As good as Kirwan and Spencer were, Peter Green was the engine in the car. That's quite obvious given Spencer's quick departure nine months after Green, and Kirwan's decent into alcoholism. No one is taking away their contributions. The article merely wants to give credit to a guitarist who is easily overlooked compared to Clapton, Beck, Page, Allman (yes I said it), Hendrix.... Green clearly belongs in that group.

[snoot]

Originally Posted by slipkid

Well the article isn't about the rest of Fleetwood Mac, it's about Peter Green. As good as Kirwan and Spencer were, Peter Green was the engine in the car. That's quite obvious given Spencer's quick departure nine months after Green, and Kirwan's decent into alcoholism. No one is taking away their contributions. The article merely wants to give credit to a guitarist who is easily overlooked compared to Clapton, Beck, Page, Allman (yes I said it), Hendrix.... Green clearly belongs in that group.

I'll give you that, the main thrust of the article, but Green's FM constitution without Kirwan is like ABB without Betts. Or of another vein, Lennon without McCartney. Still good, but nowhere near complete. That was my main point. It could also be argued - very easily IMO - that Kirwan's guitar pulse shone every bit as bright as Green's in the blues-rock Fleetwood Mac. Then Play On is proof of that, beyond their late stage appearances where Kirwan really took flight. Spencer should not even be mentioned here. Great stage presence, but not a guitar master.

BTW why bring up DK's alcoholism when Green's mental deterioration was even more abrupt, one likewise fueled by drugs and booze. Best to keep an even hand here.

[slipkid]

Originally Posted by snoot

I'll give you that, the main thrust of the article, but Green's FM constitution without Kirwan is like ABB without Betts. Or of another vein, Lennon without McCartney. Still good, but nowhere near complete. That was my main point. It could also be argued - very easily IMO - that Kirwan's guitar pulse shone every bit as bright as Green's in the blues-rock Fleetwood Mac. Then Play On is proof of that, beyond their late stage appearances where Kirwan really took flight. Spencer should not even be mentioned here. Great stage presence, but not a guitar master.

BTW why bring up DK's alcoholism when Green's mental deterioration was even more abrupt, one likewise fueled by drugs and booze. Best to keep an even hand here.

Green was writing great songs with John Mayall and Fleetwood Mac before Kirwan joined. I don't think it's the same as Lennon/McCartney or Allman/Betts. Green was more like a big brother to Kirwan who took tutelage. As a songwriter, Kirwan was a quick study, and became an incredible songwriter. His contributions to "Then Play On" are essential. But it was more like "Peter, I've written a song, do you like it?" Green would respond: "As long as you think it's good, go for it." (paraphrasing)
Kirwan would seek Green's approval, and Green would try to build Kirwan's confidence.


As a guitarist, he was by no means close to Peter Green. We are talking about arguably the greatest british guitarist ever. Kirwan's vibrato technique is almost unrivaled, but in an improvisational role he wasn't in Green's league.


I only mentioned Kirwan's alcohol problem to point out that he had difficulty taking a leadership role after Green left the band. Green left a void that FM didn't recover from until Buckingham/Nicks, by then a much different band.

I'm not trying to put Kirwan down, just look at my avatar. I love his work through Bare Trees. It's just that we're talking about Peter Green.

[doodyhead]

having bought and sold valuable instruments over time due to changing family and economic situations. I can empathise with Gary Moore. That being said, I hope the guitar is still played and not some war relic hanging on the wall. The owner if Ziff Davis publishing reportedly has in his possession half hte existing 59 les pauls. He can't possibly play them . Conspicuous consumption.

It is also true that once you sell something to someone else or give them a gift , you lose control over it. Too bad , too sad

When Peter was playing the guitar, it did sing!

let us rejoice in what he recorded.

vinnie c

[zoork_1]

This Les Paul is such a beauty....

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