Just Skimmed Through STORMS

[michelej1]

I think Lindsey loved Carol and was very happy during their first years together. But I also think she's not just inaccurate, but deliberately untruthful in some parts of the book and also generally unhinged. But I've thought that since I saw that plastic surgery documentary.

Michele

[lovethemac1]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I think Lindsey loved Carol and was very happy during their first years together. But I also think she's not just inaccurate, but deliberately untruthful in some parts of the book and also generally unhinged. But I've thought that since I saw that plastic surgery documentary.

Michele

Michelle, thank you for all your posts too, they are so insightful. And for some really strange reason, this is my favorite topic with FM. I just love reading all the posts and analysis of CAH and her relationship with LB, and where Stevie fits into this whole thing. Or should I put that the other way around? Stevie and Lindsey and where CAH fits in?

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I think Lindsey loved Carol and was very happy during their first years together. But I also think she's not just inaccurate, but deliberately untruthful in some parts of the book and also generally unhinged. But I've thought that since I saw that plastic surgery documentary.

Michele

Honestly, that documentary made me feel more sorry for her than any line in her book did. She just seemed so desperate to recapture her looks and past.

People have said the first few years were good for them, that he was happy, but his songs on Tusk scream that he's not over Stevie, and his 'lack of closure' definitely impacted things.





"And STILL the shadow singer stands and lingers in places no one ever goes..."

The biggest WTF moment I had with Carol Ann was actually more recent:

http://buckingham-nicks.boards.net/post/399

She says TWICE that Stevie is her friend. Present tense.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I think Lindsey loved Carol and was very happy during their first years together. But I also think she's not just inaccurate, but deliberately untruthful in some parts of the book and also generally unhinged. But I've thought that since I saw that plastic surgery documentary.

Michele

what??? how do I not know about this?? details, please!

I forget now which interview it was but one of Lindsey's televised interviews he says about Carol that it started out just as a conquest and then "obviously it became much more". And Richard has said, when asked, that he did think at first that's all it was, and that yes he thought the initial attraction for LB was her resemblance to Stevie. He also said he knew he would get asked this so clearly this is not just some obscure thought only on the part of fans.

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

what??? how do I not know about this?? details, please!

I forget now which interview it was but one of Lindsey's televised interviews he says about Carol that it started out just as a conquest and then "obviously it became much more". And Richard has said, when asked, that he did think at first that's all it was, and that yes he thought the initial attraction for LB was her resemblance to Stevie. He also said he knew he would get asked this so clearly this is not just some obscure thought only on the part of fans.

This always spoke volumes to me...

In your opinion, Did Lindsey really loved Carol Ann Harris?

That’s a little personal & out of respect, better left for those who lived it, to answer, if they choose.

….r

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

This always spoke volumes to me...

In your opinion, Did Lindsey really loved Carol Ann Harris?

That’s a little personal & out of respect, better left for those who lived it, to answer, if they choose.

….r

thanks nicole!

What struck me was her presentation of her career before meeting LB… running a record company? And definitely creating the impression that her company produced all these "albums you've heard of" by these bands. She sold bootlegs of concerts. it's the stuff like that that make you go hmmmm….

[SisterNightroad]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

thanks nicole!

What struck me was her presentation of her career before meeting LB… running a record company? And definitely creating the impression that her company produced all these "albums you've heard of" by these bands. She sold bootlegs of concerts. it's the stuff like that that make you go hmmmm….

And she didn't even "run" it as she was just a receptionist that was training to be a sound engineer.

[lovethemac1]

Originally Posted by SisterNightroad

And she didn't even "run" it as she was just a receptionist that was training to be a sound engineer.

I think they were referring to her bootleg company that her and her boyfriend had, before she joined the recording studio as a receptionist.

[SisterNightroad]

Originally Posted by lovethemac1

I think they were referring to her bootleg company that her and her boyfriend had, before she joined the recording studio as a receptionist.

That makes more sense, but is it right to call it "record company"?
As someone else stated, basically she sold bootlegs...

[FuzzyPlum]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

thanks nicole!

What struck me was her presentation of her career before meeting LB… running a record company? And definitely creating the impression that her company produced all these "albums you've heard of" by these bands. She sold bootlegs of concerts. it's the stuff like that that make you go hmmmm….

Bit unfair- I think this may be down to how the producers of this programme cut her interview.
'I had a record company...
...we sold all over the world.
we did...'

I have the impression she'd said a lot more and probably explained exactly what her business was but it was cut out. May not have been interesting enough for the makers of this programme.

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Interesting because I'd have to go back to my hard copy and verify, but I don't think my edition of the book said that anything was recreated from memory. She said she relied on her audio diaries, which she went back and listened to and I remember thinking that she was trying to bestow false credence on her recollections through that assertion.

Michele

I have the Kindle edition, and it's the page before the 'title page', actually. Nothing about audio diaries right there. I just don't understand why it's such a big issue that she needs to claim EVERY WORD is true, and that we can take that to the bank. If she herself can admit some conversations are based on memory then it's not a big stretch to then conclude that some words aren't accurate, seeing as everyone's memory is infallible. That's not even mentioning stories that I think ARE altered for various reasons.

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

I think for me her behavior after the book has been unusual and maybe, I'd have to think about it more, has by association influenced how I think about the book.

I know when I read it, like so many others, I found the writing left a lot to be desired, but you muddle through it to try and understand the point she wants to make about these people. And that's the thing-- the book is more about all these other people, not about her. She doesn't let the reader "in" to understand her that much. And because she doesn't, you're just left with the picture she chose to paint of herself, which is this impossibly innocent, naive, angelic person to whom all this bad stuff just happened, but who kept going back for more and who, even years later, still rhapsodizes about her abuser. Which is fine if that's what she wants to do; but we're all entitled to have our opinions about what she put out for us to read.

Then after the book came out, to do these things like troll FM fans and readers of the book [and if I were a betting person I'd bet my house she trolls this board], is just weird. I can buy having some curiosity when the book first comes out, and wanting to sort of eavesdrop to hear what the reaction to the book is, but then, you better be prepared for what you hear. It might not be all good. And clearly it hasn't been. So to then, at age--what is she? 50 something at least?? -- to troll around the internet and befriend people and engage with them only to attack them or insult them, that is unhealthy.

I wish posts had a like button because THIS. I've always appreciated the existence of the book and I've read it a couple of times. I'm not even questioning her motives for writing it. My problems with the book and with her and nearly wholly based on how she's acted about it AFTER the fact. Her actively searching out SN/FM/LB fans to FB friend and SN/FM/LB FB groups to join strikes me as odd. Her way of talking to those who disagree with her also strikes me as a touch immature and childish, given her age.

For me, personally, it DID kind of suck having her (and later, one of her staunchest supporters) publicly call me out by name - in a post just dedicated to that - and insulting me, especially as she'd 'liked' what she then denigrated, and the information she'd been given, which caused her to say what she did, wasn't even accurate.

She can claim it's a book for healing and for abuse victims, etc, but it doesn't really read like that. I'm very pleased if it DID help those who suffered abuse but it doesn't mean that every word in the book is magically true and accurate because of that. Someone being there doesn't automatically mean they're right and there IS such a thing as objective truth, contrary to what she and some of her fans seem to think. Changing details of what happened at the AMAs isn't a big deal in and of itself, and certainly it's not slanderous. However, I truly believe it was altered and facts were omitted and changed so that it portrayed a certain vision of the band - CAH and Lindsey isolated from the uncaring band, etc. In terms of how she writes about herself, I really felt a lack of self-reflection and growth, to be honest. I was told a lot about what she learned and felt, but the way the story was told didn't really bear it out.

Originally Posted by michelej1

Overall, I think the book is a good thing to have though, because I find the things people choose to embellish or lie about are just as revealing as the truthful anecdotes. I wish a few more people who have been associated with FM would write books, Sara and Ray for starters. But also Billy is writing one and I want to read about his FM years very badly.

Michele

This. A thousand times this. What is slightly altered in a story, what is omitted, what is added, etc, ALL these things are hugely of interest to me. It doesn't have to be a big lie; it's the smaller ones that usually interest me more, especially if they're consistently told that way. In addition, I find it fascinating seeing what adjectives she chooses to describe people or events, what note she ends chapters on, what metaphors re-occur, whether the verbs in stories are related to active or passive things on a consistent level, and so on. It's all very interesting to me.

[lovethemac1]

I'm so with you both on the above comments. I think the same way. I find the little nuances so intriguing.