Nominations for presenter—Stevie at the Hall of Fame

BombaySapphire3 · #1 10-26-2018, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jwd

Harry could nominate and duet with Stevie on "Stop Dragging My Heart Around".

Anyone else think Pat Benatar had a more successful solo career than Stevie? Is she in yet?

The song that beat Stevie's "Stand Back" for a Grammy.

Benatars last top 10 Billboard album was 1982's Get Nervous.

jwd · #2 10-26-2018, 09:10 PM

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Benatars last top 10 Billboard album was 1982's Get Nervous.

"Invincible" and "We Belong" went to the Top 10 in '85.

In the same time period, early to mid 80s where Stevie and Pat were most successful, I believe Pat was more successful than Stevie solo.

FuzzyPlum · #3 10-28-2018, 08:35 AM

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"Invincible" and "We Belong" went to the Top 10 in '85.

In the same time period, early to mid 80s where Stevie and Pat were most successful, I believe Pat was more successful than Stevie solo.

I'd say they had remarkably similar solo success both in terms of singles and albums. Perhaps Benatar had a slight edge. Stevie is more enduring and influential though.

jwd · #4 10-28-2018, 11:25 AM

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I'd say they had remarkably similar solo success both in terms of singles and albums. Perhaps Benatar had a slight edge. Stevie is more enduring and influential though.

If there is anything Stevie has over Pat is that she is indeed more influential and relevant today, even though Pat is still out there touring and sounding good. Bottom line is that these are two very strong women, both of whom have survived a male dominated business. Both of whom deserve to be in the RRHOF, and neither are, yet.

gldstwmn · #5 10-28-2018, 11:23 AM

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"Invincible" and "We Belong" went to the Top 10 in '85.

In the same time period, early to mid 80s where Stevie and Pat were most successful, I believe Pat was more successful than Stevie solo.

Perhaps but she doesn't have Stevie's songwriting capability.

jwd · #6 10-28-2018, 12:10 PM

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Perhaps but she doesn't have Stevie's songwriting capability.

Linda Ronstadt didn't write any of her songs to the best of my knowledge. I'd say Pat had a stronger hand in writing some of her biggest hits than Stevie had in hers'. Examples, SDMHA and "Talk To Me" weren't written by Stevie. Anyway, not sure if songwriting is one thing "The Hall" looks at when nominating and voting an artist in.

Fannymac · #7 10-30-2018, 01:57 PM

Hopefully Pat will get in in the next few years, but only after Carly Simon and Carole King!

jwd · #8 10-30-2018, 06:00 PM

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Hopefully Pat will get in in the next few years, but only after Carly Simon and Carole King!

I think she will, and they will. Geesh Carole King isn't in yet?!! I love Carly Simon too! Seems like R&R is still giving women the back seat. I brought up Pat because she and Stevie are so similar in when they attained great success as solo Rock women. Here's another good clip of Pat on Oprah with Avril Lavigne. Stevie and Joan Jett are mentioned at the end of the segment. Pat and Avril do "Love Is A Battlefield" together. Excellent!

Storms123 · #9 10-30-2018, 07:52 PM

Stevie has definitely stayed relevant in a more balances way--she's also transcended other genres and art forms in a way Pat Benatar has not. I also think Stevie's eclectic song writing style gives her a bit of an edge (I understand we aren't talking about the songwriters HOF). But the fact these 4 women aren't in yet....jeez. Carly Simon and Carole King give me goosebumps in ways no other artists can. As an aside, The Billy Joel Station (I believe it was the FM station a few months back) did a show with Billy playing the songs of the songwriters--and he spoke so highly of Carole and Carly. It amazing to hear artists fan girl over each other.

BLY · #10 10-30-2018, 06:23 PM

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Hopefully Pat will get in in the next few years, but only after Carly Simon and Carole King!

Amen to Carly Simon. She is my all time favorite female singer. Great albums, lyrics and vocal range.

gldstwmn · #11 10-30-2018, 11:40 PM

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Linda Ronstadt didn't write any of her songs to the best of my knowledge. I'd say Pat had a stronger hand in writing some of her biggest hits than Stevie had in hers'. Examples, SDMHA and "Talk To Me" weren't written by Stevie. Anyway, not sure if songwriting is one thing "The Hall" looks at when nominating and voting an artist in.

I don't know. Pat was certainly a wonderfully trained singer in the classic sense. She even wrote some of her songs.
Someone once said that it sounds like Linda's voice cries a little when she sings and I think that description nails it. She sang folk, pop, rock Broadway show tunes and fronted Nelson Riddle's orchestra. Her voice is the product of a god given talent like that of being struck by lightning. They both belong there but for different reasons.

DownOnRodeo · #12 10-31-2018, 01:25 AM

At the 0:40 mark of the We Belong video I thought she was clapping together two pieces of lettuce.

What about Cyndi Lauper? Maybe it's the look or the voice but she seems more "rock n roll" than Carole King or Pat Benatar, to me. (Obviously not intended to dismiss Carole King--who deserves something better than the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame anyway, such as the Gershwin Prize she's already pocketed.)

jwd · #13 10-31-2018, 09:07 PM

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At the 0:40 mark of the We Belong video I thought she was clapping together two pieces of lettuce.

What about Cyndi Lauper? Maybe it's the look or the voice but she seems more "rock n roll" than Carole King or Pat Benatar, to me. (Obviously not intended to dismiss Carole King--who deserves something better than the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame anyway, such as the Gershwin Prize she's already pocketed.)

I'm assuming you were under the influence, or just making a lame attempt at being funny, but I'd say she wasn't clapping two pieces of lettuce together, without even re-watching the video.

Cyndi Lauper is more ROCK than Pat Benatar?! Now that's funny!

What do ya got Cyndi? Hit me with your best shot!

DownOnRodeo · #14 10-31-2018, 11:56 PM

It just happens in a split second so I had to attempt pausing the video quite a few times to confirm that it wasn't lettuce. (It was long green gloves by the way.)

dreamsunwind · #15 11-01-2018, 03:14 PM

Probably Jimmy Iovine. But if Tom Petty was still alive it would've been him.