21 years of wasted time

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by elle

oh you know way better! they can't tour new songs because they have too many past hits? yeah right. they have a good number of hits but most bands their stature have way more and yet have no problem not doing every single hit they had at every live show. Bowie used to tour his new albums and adding just couple of his hits at the end. Rolling Stones, U2, Springsteen and so many others rotate setlists or some of the songs in setlists. for example, U2 just toured their new album in 2016. they didn't do nearly all their past hits, and they rotated some of their first successful songs from date to date. it's not that hard when the band is not lazy and/or completely dysfunctional and stunted by the worry that audience won't love every single thing they play on first listen!

plus just look at the setlist of Buckingham McVie tour in 2017 - they did 8 new songs plus tons of their old hits plus some deep cuts and still skipped some of their biggest hits.

It was amazing to hear 8 songs from the new album. And, add in Wish You Were Here!

[elle]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

It was amazing to hear 8 songs from the new album. And, add in Wish You Were Here!

WYWH was heavenly - and it was never performed live before right? and they brought back Hold Me, too, that somehow Mac could never perform for years before.

but they didn't play Don't Stop or Second Hand News, their huge hits and staples of Mac live shows.

and yet it was all great, audience found the show rocking and high energy even though there were so many new songs they haven't heard before.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by elle

WYWH was heavenly - and it was never performed live before right? and they brought back Hold Me, too, that somehow Mac could never perform for years before.

but they didn't play Don't Stop or Second Hand News, their huge hits and staples of Mac live shows.

and yet it was all great, audience found the show rocking and high energy even though there were so many new songs they haven't heard before.

I have to say that the Greek, Los Angeles Buckvie show had so much energy and surprises. The sold out crowd was electric. It was like the old days of seeing FMac.

[Street_Dreamer]

It would have been interesting to see how the band would have worked if Lindsey, Christine and Billy had got together. Obviously Lindsey and Christine's chemistry has been well documented over the years. Christine and Billy I felt had really good chemistry the times they worked together. I would have loved to hear Lindsey put his touch on Billy's work. I think the two really would have got along seeing as Billy has always been willing to play "second fiddle". Mixing Bekka in would have been REALLY cool seeing as she is a completely different type of singer/vocalist than Christine or Stevie. Considering how many different artists Bekka has worked with over the years, I really think she would have found a place in the group and given Fleetwood Mac a new and unique element the band never had before or ever.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Street_Dreamer

It would have been interesting to see how the band would have worked if Lindsey, Christine and Billy had got together. Obviously Lindsey and Christine's chemistry has been well documented over the years. Christine and Billy I felt had really good chemistry the times they worked together. I would have loved to hear Lindsey put his touch on Billy's work. I think the two really would have got along seeing as Billy has always been willing to play "second fiddle". Mixing Bekka in would have been REALLY cool seeing as she is a completely different type of singer/vocalist than Christine or Stevie. Considering how many different artists Bekka has worked with over the years, I really think she would have found a place in the group and given Fleetwood Mac a new and unique element the band never had before or ever.

If $tevie had just left the band for her solo career, a much better band might happened on it's own. Replace $tevie with Bekka, and I'm happy.

Bekka is technically the best singer FM has ever had. My god she's got some amazing pipes on her!

FM doesn't need two male vocalists, though. Especially considering their catalog. And Lindsey would have never allowed that, either.

[BigAl84]

Let's be real. There was never a chance of a different configuration of Fleetwood Mac members moving forward as a band without slapping the label of Fleetwood Mac on it. Whenever it has been more than 2 Fleetwood Mac members in a group setting, it has been labeled Fleetwood Mac.

John McVie would never agree to leave his boat for a potentially smaller cash haul to do a smaller tour with a band minus Stevie.

Mick has clearly always been motivated by the big money of FM tours and still is.

This is why neither John or Mick participated in the BuckVie tour....and what a lame back-peddling move to do. Have a great time recording the album and then not go out on the road with it for fear of band politics...aka Stevie. They never fully supported Lindsey or Christine in that project. It's the same spineless behavior that occurred when Lindsey was fired.

Would it have been amazing to see them form a group minus Stevie? Heck yeah but the distorted and warped sense of loyalty has and always would have prevented it from happening no matter how you slice it.

It also would have been way too much work and risk for either Mick or John. It's far easier to find a few folks who can cover some guitar parts and "kinda" sound like Fleetwood Mac, reboot the Fleetwood Mac touring show and make a boatload of cash.

Heck, has Jonn McVie EVER played with Micks Blues Band? And they BOTH have homes in Hawaii where Mick and his band play.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

Let's be real. There was never a chance of a different configuration of Fleetwood Mac members moving forward as a band without slapping the label of Fleetwood Mac on it. Whenever it has been more than 2 Fleetwood Mac members in a group setting, it has been labeled Fleetwood Mac.

John McVie would never agree to leave his boat for a potentially smaller cash haul to do a smaller tour with a band minus Stevie.

Mick has clearly always been motivated by the big money of FM tours and still is.

This is why neither John or Mick participated in the BuckVie tour....and what a lame back-peddling move to do. Have a great time recording the album and then not go out on the road with it for fear of band politics...aka Stevie. They never fully supported Lindsey or Christine in that project. It's the same spineless behavior that occurred when Lindsey was fired.

Would it have been amazing to see them form a group minus Stevie? Heck yeah but the distorted and warped sense of loyalty has and always would have prevented it from happening no matter how you slice it.

It also would have been way too much work and risk for either Mick or John. It's far easier to find a few folks who can cover some guitar parts and "kinda" sound like Fleetwood Mac, reboot the Fleetwood Mac touring show and make a boatload of cash.

Heck, has Jonn McVie EVER played with Micks Blues Band? And they BOTH have homes in Hawaii where Mick and his band play.

I agree. John doesn't want to tour any more than he has to. Thank God Christine and Lindsey still had the itch to write and make new music. Mirage w/ a dash of Tango Part II was kind of cool and breezy listen. 2017 was a wonderful summer.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by elle

WYWH was heavenly - and it was never performed live before right? and they brought back Hold Me, too, that somehow Mac could never perform for years before.

In fairness, it probably wasn’t somehow the Mac who could not perform it. It probably was Lindsey who did not want to perform it without the layers.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by michelej1

In fairness, it probably wasn’t somehow the Mac who could not perform it. It probably was Lindsey who did not want to perform it without the layers.

Lmfao...blame Lindsey. OF COURSE!

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

Lmfao...blame Lindsey. OF COURSE!

I do hold him responsible for that. He put the Phil Spector in Hold Me and probably was dissatisfied with the way it came off on stage without Phil (or fill or feel).

I also blame him for not performing Isn’t It Midnight on tour with Christine because it sounded so incredible live and I miss not getting to hear him do that. I hope his arrangement would have been as good as what we got.

[elle]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I do hold him responsible for that. He put the Phil Spector in Hold Me and probably was dissatisfied with the way it came off on stage without Phil (or fill or feel).

I also blame him for not performing Isn’t It Midnight on tour with Christine because it sounded so incredible live and I miss not getting to hear him do that. I hope his arrangement would have been as good as what we got.

do you know whether Hold Me arrangement on the replacements tour 2018-19 was same as BuckVie one, or very different? i heard once a part of it and it was very slowed down, but maybe it evolved. when i first heard they put Hold Me in the set without LB, i figured that was because Christine already had it done with him during BuckVie.

Think About Me on 2014-15 tour (Aus leg) was disappointing, unlike Hold Me on BuckVie tour.

[Macfan4life]

Christine did a wonderful Hold Me on her solo tour in 1984. Sounded better live then than the Mac's 1982 version. Of course Chris had several guys backing her but no background singers LOL

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by elle

do you know whether Hold Me arrangement on the replacements tour 2018-19 was same as BuckVie one, or very different?

No, it was different.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by elle

do you know whether Hold Me arrangement on the replacements tour 2018-19 was same as BuckVie one, or very different? i heard once a part of it and it was very slowed down, but maybe it evolved. when i first heard they put Hold Me in the set without LB, i figured that was because Christine already had it done with him during BuckVie.

Think About Me on 2014-15 tour (Aus leg) was disappointing, unlike Hold Me on BuckVie tour.

I'm positive that Hold Me was tracks on BuckVie. Christine wasn't playing the piano intro or break, and Brett wasn't either. And the original was in the key of D. BuckVie was dropped to B. I have video on my (old) phone of it.

Not sure about 2018/2019, because I have no interest in Fakewood Mac.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by elle

do you know whether Hold Me arrangement on the replacements tour 2018-19 was same as BuckVie one, or very different? i heard once a part of it and it was very slowed down, but maybe it evolved. when i first heard they put Hold Me in the set without LB, i figured that was because Christine already had it done with him during BuckVie.

Think About Me on 2014-15 tour (Aus leg) was disappointing, unlike Hold Me on BuckVie tour.

It was slightly different from my suspect memory. I'm guessing, but it sounded slowed down on the Mac tour. Or, maybe lower key. Too lazy to go check.