In case you want to know the answer to: "WHAT IS A SUPPORTING LEDGIE?"

[fringed n fab]

Also some may not like it, but I see no problem if the site does remain open, then why not incorporate small tiny ads between posts or pages like City Data does? Minimal ads, not in the way of browsing. Along with yes, more paid memberships from those enjoying the site. Because like most anything, to keep a good thing running sometimes takes some money. That's just life as I'm sure we know. I just wish all of this had been brought up sooner to us on here before the owners were forced to talk selling or closing.

[Tango]

Originally Posted by fringed n fab

Also some may not like it, but I see no problem if the site does remain open, then why not incorporate small tiny ads between posts or pages like City Data does? Minimal ads, not in the way of browsing. Along with yes, more paid memberships from those enjoying the site. Because like most anything, to keep a good thing running sometimes takes some money. That's just life as I'm sure we know. I just wish all of this had been brought up sooner to us on here before the owners were forced to talk selling or closing.

Your name is still "brown" to me.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Tango

Your name is still "brown" to me.

Wow. We've been singled out....


~peer pressure~

[chriskisn]

It seems like lots of arguments against parting with $12. The problem is that if a new owner bought it tomorrow, they still have the same costs and the problem is that you still don't know if your $12 is going to stop the site closing within that 12 months.

Michele's point as I see it is that she can not financially afford to keep paying for this site. So basically because no-one is supporting this site it runs the risk of closing. So the very reason against supporting the site (closing) is the reason it is for sale and obviously if no-one buys, may close.

Maybe in the USA $12 is worth a whole lot more than it is in Australia. I mean I know you don't earn as much per year as we generally do in Australia, but I didn't realise you were THAT poor!

[louielouie2000]

Thanks for starting this thread, and keeping the discussion going, folks. For further clarification:

1) When you pay to become a supporting member, you pay via a Paypal account. No one here at the Ledge will ever see your credit card or banking info. They Ledge owner, Michele, simply receives a payment from Paypal.

2) The cost is $1/per month. This can either be paid in a 6 month installment or a 12 month installment.

3) Unless a buyer steps forward, or the board quickly begins supporting itself with enough paying members, the Ledge is in very real danger of disappearing.

[fringed n fab]

Originally Posted by chriskisn

It seems like lots of arguments against parting with $12. The problem is that if a new owner bought it tomorrow, they still have the same costs and the problem is that you still don't know if your $12 is going to stop the site closing within that 12 months.
Michele's point as I see it is that she can not financially afford to keep paying for this site. So basically because no-one is supporting this site it runs the risk of closing. So the very reason against supporting the site (closing) is the reason it is for sale and obviously if no-one buys, may close.

Maybe in the USA $12 is worth a whole lot more than it is in Australia. I mean I know you don't earn as much per year as we generally do in Australia, but I didn't realise you were THAT poor!

At this rate is 12 dollars going to help at all? is my point. It would take a lot of registered members putting together the 12 dollars to get them (the owners) the money they need to continue operating month to month at this point it seems to me. And Tango? We understand your frustration but it's not right to go singling people out, many may have their reasons until they better understand what's about to take place soon here since no one's really come forth and made any official announcements about helping save the site. Right now all we know is it's up for sale.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by fringed n fab

I just wish all of this had been brought up sooner to us on here before the owners were forced to talk selling or closing.

I've dropped posts encouraging people to become supporting members the past year or so. I remember you in particular responding to those posts in the past. You aren't interested in becoming a supporting member, and that's just fine.

Originally Posted by fringed n fab

At this rate is 12 dollars going to help at all? is my point. It would take a lot of registered members putting together the 12 dollars to get them (the owners) the money they need to continue operating month to month at this point it seems to me.

If every single person who has read the announcement about the Ledge sale (which is posted at the top of every forum) became supporting members, this site would not just support itself, it would earn money. This revenue could be reinvested into not just the Ledge, but the rest of FleetwoodMac.net. There is so much more FleetwoodMac.net could offer.

[fringed n fab]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

I've dropped posts encouraging people to become supporting members the past year or so. I remember you in particular responding to those posts in the past. You aren't interested in becoming a supporting member, and that's just fine.




If every single person who has read the announcement about the Ledge sale (which is posted at the top of every forum) became supporting members, this site would not just support itself, it would earn money. This revenue could be reinvested into not just the Ledge, but the rest of FleetwoodMac.net. There is so much more FleetwoodMac.net could offer.

I don't recall those conversations and to the best of my knowledge, I have always kept my opinions about joining/attempting to become more involved here, to myself up until now. It wasn't ever about the 12 dollars and still isn't. I never said I wouldn't contribute but that should be on everyone's own terms and not ridiculed or forced. At this point it seems they want out from under it and it might not sell and maybe just maybe, go offline soon no matter what.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by fringed n fab

At this rate is 12 dollars going to help at all? is my point. It would take a lot of registered members putting together the 12 dollars to get them (the owners) the money they need to continue operating month to month at this point it seems to me.

And Tango? We understand your frustration but it's not right to go singling people out, many may have their reasons until they better understand what's about to take place soon here since no one's really come forth and made any official announcements about helping save the site. Right now all we know is it's up for sale.

Exactly. There's nothing wrong with asking what may happen. Just because we might raise $500 now, doesn't guarantee that The Ledge will still be here in 3 months, right?


A few years ago, someone was singling out people who weren't "supporting", and the mods scolded them for doing so. Maybe that policy has changed, since it's "desperate times".

[Silver Springs]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

A few years ago, someone was singling out people who weren't "supporting", and the mods scolded them for doing so. Maybe that policy has changed, since it's "desperate times".

I've been getting that impression with this thread as I've been reading it, too. Beginning to feel as though us "non-supporters" are going to have a stigma attached to us from now on because of what's happening.

I genuinely cannot afford the money to support.

[WildHearted]

I would support if I could. As it stands right now, I honestly can't (poor college student with no job and $22 to my name). But I wish there was more I could do.

[chriskisn]

Originally Posted by fringed n fab

At this rate is 12 dollars going to help at all? is my point. It would take a lot of registered members putting together the 12 dollars to get them (the owners) the money they need to continue operating month to month at this point it seems to me. And Tango? We understand your frustration but it's not right to go singling people out, many may have their reasons until they better understand what's about to take place soon here since no one's really come forth and made any official announcements about helping save the site. Right now all we know is it's up for sale.

The point is that if this place closes there will be lots and lots of people who post here a lot more regularly than I do that will be sad. The simple fact is that if just a few of them had contributed we might not have got to this point.

Sure not everyone can afford it and that is fine. If you can't afford to put food on the table then the ledge isn't going to be a high priority.

Someone said somewhere that there were only 31 people who were supporting ledgies (don't know how accurate this figure is?) but that means there are at least a couple of hundred regular users who aren't. Surely they can't all be too poor to contribute.

Yes we could all send money and the site could still close, but the point is simply that if more people had helped we would probably not be in this situation.

Anway, I have a toddler to put to a morning sleep and so I'm outta here....

[BTFLCHLD]

Originally Posted by chriskisn

Someone said somewhere that there were only 31 people who were supporting ledgies (don't know how accurate this figure is?) but that means there are at least a couple of hundred regular users who aren't. Surely they can't all be too poor to contribute...

supporting members <---info avail here.

adsense should be bringing in $$$ on the impressions alone. yes/no?

i have been a supporting memeber for YEARS. i am lucky to have extra at the time of renewal and i understand totally those that are unable to. but i also believe there are those that can and are simply unaware of the option -- pretty sure many do not linger in FAQ long enough to notice, if at all.

if you can, do. if you cant, dont. i do find a tad lame those that can but wont with the reasoning given due to a potentially limited time frame the ledge will be here. maybe time for a bit of payback for what you have enjoyed for so f'in long?! close your eyes, imagine you are purchasing stevie's newest CD release, or the Buckingham Nicks ANEW album...im thinking most would be all over those purchases.

perhaps the ledge should consider the change to paying membership -- pay or dont play.