The family is breaking up :( and afraid to post. Let me teach you about real reality.

[Sugar Mouse]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brown

Where is the text of this article with the November 2019 date? Edit: Never mind - found it. Note: The 2019 was put in brackets, meaning it was never actually said aloud by Stevie - it was only inferred. Lindsey himself said he was ready to tour in 2018 in the video recorded just a couple of months before news of his being fired became public. The 2019 claim is an obvious cover story - Lindsey knew the band would never wait nearly two years for their next tour.

Below is a link to the article from Rolling Stone reporting Lindsey's firing and it only cites "a disagreement over the band's upcoming tour".

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/n...ingham-w518925

I'm trying to be as objective as humanly possible but it seems that some folks here don't want to be fair to the band's perspective that Lindsey backed out of the tour plans. I did a google search and found dozens of outlets that have reported that. Here are just a few outlets that have reported that Lindsey backed out of the tour. Even Wikipedia includes this. I do think it would be good for us to be fair to both Lindsey's and the band's perspective.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Eve..._Fleetwood_Mac

http://ottawasun.com/entertainment/m...0-b8aced74c0e9

https://reverb.com/news/fleetwood-ma...ces-tour-plans

http://ampthemag.com/the-real/fleetw...ey-buckingham/

http://canoe.com/entertainment/music...eduling-issues

http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/tevie...-volatile.html

[jmn3]

I think at some point Stevie said something about Lindsey postponing to “next November” and some eager beaver Stevie fanatics looking to justify Lindsey’s firing interpreted that to mean November 2019 - Which makes no sense. Technically though, the next November is in 2018, which does make more sense.

It doesn’t justify firing Lindsey.

[Sugar Mouse]

Originally Posted by jmn3

I think at some point Stevie said something about Lindsey postponing to “next November” and some eager beaver Stevie fanatics looking to justify Lindsey’s firing interpreted that to mean November 2019 - Which makes no sense. Technically though, the next November is in 2018, which does make more sense.

It doesn’t justify firing Lindsey.

November 2019 is what all the media outlets are reporting. Firing him for wanting to delay things until November 2018 wouldn't make sense which is why it's much more likely that Lindsey wanted to delay things until 2019. If the story is inaccurate, you'd think Lindsey would have said something by now.

[Dr.Brown]

Originally Posted by Sugar Mouse

I'm trying to be as objective as humanly possible but it seems that some folks here don't want to be fair to the band's perspective that Lindsey backed out of the tour plans. I did a google search and found dozens of outlets that have reported that. Here are just a few outlets that have reported that Lindsey backed out of the tour. Even Wikipedia includes this. I do think it would be good for us to be fair to both Lindsey's and the band's perspective.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Eve..._Fleetwood_Mac

http://ottawasun.com/entertainment/m...0-b8aced74c0e9

https://reverb.com/news/fleetwood-ma...ces-tour-plans

http://ampthemag.com/the-real/fleetw...ey-buckingham/

http://canoe.com/entertainment/music...eduling-issues

http://www.vulture.com/2018/04/tevie...-volatile.html

The thing is, if the band issues a certain narrative, of course that same narrative will be reported in multiple news outlets.

[Dr.Brown]

Originally Posted by Sugar Mouse

November 2019 is what all the media outlets are reporting. Firing him for wanting to delay things until November 2018 wouldn't make sense which is why it's much more likely that Lindsey wanted to delay things until 2019. If the story is inaccurate, you'd think Lindsey would have said something by now.

He did say something at the political fundraiser just over a week ago. In his brief comments, Lindsey made it clear that it was not his choice to leave the band and that the move to fire him arose from a "faction" within the band.

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by Sugar Mouse

November 2019 is what all the media outlets are reporting. Firing him for wanting to delay things until November 2018 wouldn't make sense which is why it's much more likely that Lindsey wanted to delay things until 2019. If the story is inaccurate, you'd think Lindsey would have said something by now.

It’s being reported because that’s what the band is pushing because it makes a F-load of a lot more sense to say they fired Lindsey for wanting to delay their tour until November 2019 versus “Stevie is our meal ticket and she hates working with Lindsey and threatened to leave if we didn’t fire him and replace him with Mike so that they could mourn Tom Petty’s death and be happy together.” Why would anyone even give such a specific date of November 2019 which at the time was like 21 months away???? It makes zero sense and there’s no reasonable way that Lindsey gave that date to Mick.

[Sugar Mouse]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brown

He did say something at the political fundraiser just over a week ago. In his brief comments, Lindsey made it clear that it was not his choice to leave the band and that the move to fire him arose from a "faction" within the band.

Yes - that's what I said. All of these outlets are reporting that Lindsey was fired from Fleetwood Mac because he backed out of the tour. It wasn't his choice to leave the band although his choice to back out of the tour ultimately led to the band having to replace him.

[Sugar Mouse]

Originally Posted by jmn3

It’s being reported because that’s what the band is pushing because it makes a F-load of a lot more sense to say they fired Lindsey for wanting to delay their tour until November 2019 versus “Stevie is our meal ticket and she hates working with Lindsey and threatened to leave if we didn’t fire him and replace him with Mike so that they could mourn Tom Petty’s death and be happy together.” Why would anyone even give such a specific date of November 2019 which at the time was like 21 months away???? It makes zero sense and there’s no reasonable way that Lindsey gave that date to Mick.

Lindsey backing out of the tour forcing the band to fire him is the story that just about every media outlet has reported. If it's not true, Lindsey has every right to give his side of the story. Lindsey did speak about this the other night at the fundraiser and said nothing that contradicted the band's version of events. Lindsey said that he was fired from the band and it wasn't his choice. The band has never said it was Lindsey's choice ... they've said that they chose to "fire" him (although they said they don't like to use the word "fire").

[jmn3]

Originally Posted by Sugar Mouse

Lindsey backing out of the tour forcing the band to fire him is the story that just about every media outlet has reported. If it's not true, Lindsey has every right to give his side of the story. Lindsey did speak about this the other night at the fundraiser and said nothing that contradicted the band's version of events. Lindsey said that he was fired from the band and it wasn't his choice. The band has never said it was Lindsey's choice ... they've said that they chose to "fire" him (although they said they don't like to use the word "fire").

Whatever. I’m done trying to discuss this. Using a little critical thinking and common sense along with a dollop of knowledge of this band, it’s clear this is BS. You say every news outlet is reporting 11/2019 yet none of those articles cite where that specific date is coming from. Where’s the quote? There isn’t one because it was never said. It’s an interpretation of a comment of Stevie’s that 1)nobody ever asked for clarification or specifics about and 2) she sure as hell isnt going to say “no that’s not what I meant.” The band needs this 11/2019 crap to keep gaining momentum because it helps make their argument for firing him.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by jmn3

Whatever. I’m done trying to discuss this. Using a little critical thinking and common sense along with a dollop of knowledge of this band, it’s clear this is BS. You say every news outlet is reporting 11/2019 yet none of those articles cite where that specific date is coming from. Where’s the quote? There isn’t one because it was never said. It’s an interpretation of a comment of Stevie’s that 1)nobody ever asked for clarification or specifics about and 2) she sure as hell isnt going to say “no that’s not what I meant.” The band needs this 11/2019 crap to keep gaining momentum because it helps make their argument for firing him.

But it’s not the fault of anyone for not delving further. Lindsey hasn’t exactly offered a rebuff. Hell, he didn’t exactly say he was fired. His lack of using THAT word is as telling to me Mick’s. Calling this a “divorce” with anything involving Fleetwood Mac is underwhelming at best.

However, even those of us who follow the band intensely close, even those in contact with the inner circle, don’t really know what actually went down, and likely never will. So, it’s all just a matter of speculation, regardless of what we’ve heard. The actual breaking point will probably never be known.

Eff it. If I get to hear really old stuff from Fleetwood Mac and really new stuff from Lindsey Buckingham, I’m okay with that.

[Sugar Mouse]

Originally Posted by jmn3

Whatever. I’m done trying to discuss this. Using a little critical thinking and common sense along with a dollop of knowledge of this band, it’s clear this is BS. You say every news outlet is reporting 11/2019 yet none of those articles cite where that specific date is coming from. Where’s the quote? There isn’t one because it was never said. It’s an interpretation of a comment of Stevie’s that 1)nobody ever asked for clarification or specifics about and 2) she sure as hell isnt going to say “no that’s not what I meant.” The band needs this 11/2019 crap to keep gaining momentum because it helps make their argument for firing him.

The bottom line is that the band says November 2019 and Lindsey hasn't said anything to the contrary. Not sure why Lindsey wouldn't correct the story if he believed that it wasn't true. Perhaps he will say more at some point. I'd be happy to be proven wrong if a different story emerges. I just hope that we can all stay objective when looking at both sides of the divide.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

If Lindsey had passed away I'd think it was "cool" that Mike
was in the band too. Although Lindsey could never really be
replaced.

FM surviving on life support until they found Lindsey and his
girlfriend was a bit of good luck. Or better yet - providence.

On a serious note, my very best to you SteveMacD on your
health.

Thanks! I appreciate it.

Changing subjects…

If you haven’t already, you need to check Richard Thompson. He’s what I wish Lindsey was (and hope Lindsey becomes). Brilliant acoustic guitarist, awesome non-blues lead guitarist, values art over commercialism, but even more so, and isn’t married to the recorded version and the song. He turned down The Eagles before they got Joe Walsh.

He would have been my first choice. How many artsy folk acoustic/non-blues lead guitarist/songwriter/singers who have worked with two strong women, one of whom he divorced in what became his most critically acclaimed and commercially successful album are there in this world???


Here’s my comp (YouTube it)

I Feel So Good
Who Knows Where The Time Goes: FC
For Shame of Doing Wrong: R&LT/Rafferty
When The Spell Is Broken
I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight: R&LT
Roll Over Vaughn Williams
Hokey Pokey: R&LT
Beeswing
1952 Vincent Black Lightning
Matty Groves: FC
Shoot Out The Lights: : R&LT
Withered & Died: R&LT
Wall of Death: R&LT
Tear Stained Letter
Meet On The Ledge: FC
Dimming Of The Day: R&LT
——
FC: Fairport Convention

R&LT: Richard & Linda Thompson

R&LT/Rafferty: Richard & Linda Thompson, from the Gerry Rafferty sessions (a remake of a song recorded 6 years earlier). Clearly trying to sound like Fleetwood Mac here. And kind of did.

Otherwise, RT solo.

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67

"Welcome to the room, Sara," was written about her stay at Betty Ford, so that song was recorded for "TITN" when she was no longer doing coke.
But I am guessing some of her recording sessions were done for "Tango" before Betty Ford.
"Seven Wonders," for example. And the demos on the deluxe version of "TITN," like "Juliet" where her voice sounds very torn up..I think that was recorded before Betty Ford??

Thanks, I wasn't quite sure as to when she was in the Betty Ford clinic.

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by Sugar Mouse

The bottom line is that the band says November 2019 and Lindsey hasn't said anything to the contrary. Not sure why Lindsey wouldn't correct the story if he believed that it wasn't true. Perhaps he will say more at some point. I'd be happy to be proven wrong if a different story emerges. I just hope that we can all stay objective when looking at both sides of the divide.

Yes, he has. What you need to do is watch the video Elle posted and I'll post it again:

We’ve all wanted to hear it directly from the man himself: here Lindsey talks about releasing/touring his solo album and Best Of album to coincide with Fleetwood Mac work. This was the day after MusiCares.

Thank you so much @FrozenLove for capturing! pic.twitter.com/ymRnpVwZ9c

— miranda (@rockawayblind) April 23, 2018

Listen to what he says. He clearly states that he wants to tour with Fleetwood Mac this year. He says nothing about next year or backing out of the tour. What the band says ("We hit an impasse" and "he didn't want to tour until November 2019) is complete and utter BS to make themselves look good in the eyes of the general public (and to sell tickets). He never asked to delay the tour nor did he want to. If anything Lindsey has always been the one who wanted to tour, who wanted the band to go forward and make new albums and tour behind them.

You keep saying you want to be proven wrong. Several people have proven you wrong but you keep coming back with the same story that Lindsey backed out of the tour. He did NOT

[MoonSister75]

^^^

Yes hopefully most of us have now seen the video.

Lindsey wanted to do his solo tour along with the FM tour, THIS YEAR. That wasn't acceptable UNDERSTANDABLY to the band. So that was the IMPASSE. The band are stating that the other option put forward was that Lindsey does his solo tour, and the FM tour is DELAYED by a year (just because he doesn't say it in this 40 second fan video, doesn't mean it wasn't discussed as an option).

We really have no proof either way (the 40 second video is not proof of what was discussed in totality between the band). Are the band are lying about the delay, as SUGGESTED by many people here? OR is it that Lindsey just HASN'T MENTIONED that he put a delay forward as an option (because he really hasn't said very much at all about what really happened).

I'm sure this post will yet again irritate those who want to believe the poor Lindsey theory, but the rest of us are getting irritated by the fact that a story is being told repeatedly on here as the truth, when no one really knows. Why is it so hard to believe that he may well have suggested delaying the tour?!?