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Old 04-16-2018, 08:47 AM
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But didn't Lindsey supposedly offer to scrap his solo dates when they told him he couldn't do both tours? Why would they still insist on kicking him out if he was willing to compromise?
I agree. Itís hard for Lindsey to have any say (or any hope) when they had already gone behind his back and approached MC in January. He abviously didnít know what they had been doing.

They had to have had this is the works, otherwise they would have jumped at the chance to keep him and not affect ticket sales.
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Old 04-16-2018, 08:52 AM
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For those that are unable to see the instagram: (I added spaces as I can't read instagram easily myself)

fleetwoodmacfanclubFrom Carol Ann Harrisí Facebook page:

I guess it's time for me to say something as the posts on here are all over the place and placing blame on Fleetwood Mac as an entity for Lindsey no longer being in the band is wayyyyy too premature.

All I want to say to all of you is that the band meeting where the decision was made that he was no longer in the band was surely so ugly....so sad...so awful...that I, for one, am grateful that I wasn't a witness to it.

To place blame on Stevie, Mick, Christine or John is unwarranted and the fact that Lindsey hasn't made a statement AT all speaks volumes to me.

I can tell you that just from a business perspective, Lindsey being "fired" or leaving the band was NOT anyone's choice but a decision that the band made for reasons that will eventually become known as in this day and age - it's impossible to keep anything this big a secret for very long...

I truly feel sorry for all of the fans of Fleetwood Mac who will NOT get to see what is to me, the "real" band and I am not throwing shade on the two guitarists hired to replace him. They are brilliant musicians - but for a "Farewell" tour, (in my opinion) they are going to be up against it.

But my last word on this is that it's a very, very sad end to an era for Fleetwood Mac...but all of you have the music, have seen the tours - and in the end, that will always be yours to enjoy.
Love to you all - Carol Ann
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Old 04-16-2018, 08:56 AM
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fleetwoodmacfanclubFrom Carol Ann Harrisí Facebook page:

I guess it's time for me to say something as the posts on here are all over the place and placing blame on Fleetwood Mac as an entity for Lindsey no longer being in the band is wayyyyy too premature.

All I want to say to all of you is that the band meeting where the decision was made that he was no longer in the band was surely so ugly....so sad...so awful...that I, for one, am grateful that I wasn't a witness to it.

To place blame on Stevie, Mick, Christine or John is unwarranted and the fact that Lindsey hasn't made a statement AT all speaks volumes to me.

I can tell you that just from a business perspective, Lindsey being "fired" or leaving the band was NOT anyone's choice but a decision that the band made for reasons that will eventually become known as in this day and age - it's impossible to keep anything this big a secret for very long...

I truly feel sorry for all of the fans of Fleetwood Mac who will NOT get to see what is to me, the "real" band and I am not throwing shade on the two guitarists hired to replace him. They are brilliant musicians - but for a "Farewell" tour, (in my opinion) they are going to be up against it.

But my last word on this is that it's a very, very sad end to an era for Fleetwood Mac...but all of you have the music, have seen the tours - and in the end, that will always be yours to enjoy.
Love to you all - Carol Ann
So, for Carol Ann the real Fleetwood Mac is the band without Lindsey?!
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Old 04-16-2018, 09:12 AM
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I think she's saying it's not a real band without LIndsey.
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To place blame on Stevie, Mick, Christine or John is unwarranted and the fact that Lindsey hasn't made a statement AT all speaks volumes to me.

For the most part I agree with her. I'm not sure what to make of this line though. I think she is implying its Lindsey's fault as evidenced by his lack of a response. I think it more likely he's trying to be the grown up and avoiding a tit-for-tat public sparring match. That and/or he's been advised to say nothing for legal reasons.
He has the right to remain silent.
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Old 04-16-2018, 09:39 AM
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I think she's saying it's not a real band without LIndsey.
Yeah, now that I'm reading it with less anger...

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For the most part I agree with her. I'm not sure what to make of this line though. I think she is implying its Lindsey's fault as evidenced by his lack of a response. I think it more likely he's trying to be the grown up and avoiding a tit-for-tat public sparring match. That and/or he's been advised to say nothing for legal reasons.
He has the right to remain silent.
I don't get it: the band has nothing to do with the decision, but they made the decision nevertheless. It's been a slow morning for me or I am missing something here.
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Old 04-16-2018, 10:57 AM
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No offense to Carol Ann Harris, but, given the fact that most of her interactions with the band ended in the 1980s, I feel like she has about as much insight on this matter as I do.
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:21 AM
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For those that are unable to see the instagram: (I added spaces as I can't read instagram easily myself)

fleetwoodmacfanclubFrom Carol Ann Harrisí Facebook page:

I guess it's time for me to say something as the posts on here are all over the place and placing blame on Fleetwood Mac as an entity for Lindsey no longer being in the band is wayyyyy too premature.

All I want to say to all of you is that the band meeting where the decision was made that he was no longer in the band was surely so ugly....so sad...so awful...that I, for one, am grateful that I wasn't a witness to it.

To place blame on Stevie, Mick, Christine or John is unwarranted and the fact that Lindsey hasn't made a statement AT all speaks volumes to me.

I can tell you that just from a business perspective, Lindsey being "fired" or leaving the band was NOT anyone's choice but a decision that the band made for reasons that will eventually become known as in this day and age - it's impossible to keep anything this big a secret for very long...

I truly feel sorry for all of the fans of Fleetwood Mac who will NOT get to see what is to me, the "real" band and I am not throwing shade on the two guitarists hired to replace him. They are brilliant musicians - but for a "Farewell" tour, (in my opinion) they are going to be up against it.

But my last word on this is that it's a very, very sad end to an era for Fleetwood Mac...but all of you have the music, have seen the tours - and in the end, that will always be yours to enjoy.
Love to you all - Carol Ann
Thanks for posting this. I'm trying to sort this out in my head.

Her statement boils down to "Lindsey being fired or leaving the band was not anyone's choice". stop. "but a decision that the band made for reasons that will eventually become known" stop.
Huh? Is she saying the band didn't want to fire him but was forced too? Did they have to scrap a member and they chose Lindsey? She sounds like an edict was handed down from on high and the band must obey.
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Old 04-16-2018, 12:54 PM
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No offense to Carol Ann Harris, but, given the fact that most of her interactions with the band ended in the 1980s, I feel like she has about as much insight on this matter as I do.
Yup basically. She's just offering her take, I wouldn't look much deeper into it.
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:09 PM
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and yet, Stevie had no problem whatsoever with the Pretenders doing it.

it's interesting view to ponder, for sure, but doesn't make sense when you take into account Stevie's last year's tour with the Pretenders.

The reality is that in Fleetwood Mac, there are members that people go to specifically see. If you are there to see Lindsey, but he is touring independently (for much less per ticket, and at close by venues) you may forgo the full Fleetwood Mac ticket and just go see him. Same for Stevie and her fans. That type of set up would definitely have a financial impact on the band as a whole.
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:28 PM
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The reality is that in Fleetwood Mac, there are members that people go to specifically see. If you are there to see Lindsey, but he is touring independently (for much less per ticket, and at close by venues) you may forgo the full Fleetwood Mac ticket and just go see him. Same for Stevie and her fans. That type of set up would definitely have a financial impact on the band as a whole.

Never been to a Lindsey Buckingham solo show but the way he jokes about it would suggest the number of fans that go to his shows wouldn't really make any dent in FM numbers. Plus most would go to both (avid LB fans will pay double to see him solo and with FM). Even if fans only go to LB concerts- so many shows last time around were sell outs. If a small number of fans don't buy tickets, then somebody else would buy them anyway.
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Never been to a Lindsey Buckingham solo show but the way he jokes about it would suggest the number of fans that go to his shows wouldn't really make any dent in FM numbers. Plus most would go to both (avid LB fans will pay double to see him solo and with FM). Even if fans only go to LB concerts- so many shows last time around were sell outs. If a small number of fans don't buy tickets, then somebody else would buy them anyway.
Let me first re-state that I am not a business person by any means.
But using common business sense, the band cannot allow Lindsey to do this (or any band member) based on an educated guess that he won't sell that many tickets.

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Let me first re-state that I am not a business person by any means.
But using common business sense, the band cannot allow Lindsey to do this (or any band member) based on an educated guess that he won't sell that many tickets.

Jamie
I am by no means a business person either. Common sense however would suggest profits aren't going to be maximised by scheduling significant gaps between shows. Furthermore, the backlash they are facing and the impact this may have on ticket sales would suggest a degree of compromise would have been prudent from a business perspective.
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This may have been mentioned before (but I haven't seen it as I've quickly perused the responses)... but didn't the original press release say Lindsey wouldn't be joining them on this tour? It seems like maybe there's hope in the way it was worded. Perhaps his ousting was intended only for this tour, and they've left things open for him to rejoin at a later time? Someone help me out if I'm way wrong here.
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This may have been mentioned before (but I haven't seen it as I've quickly perused the responses)... but didn't the original press release say Lindsey wouldn't be joining them on this tour? It seems like maybe there's hope in the way it was worded. Perhaps his ousting was intended only for this tour, and they've left things open for him to rejoin at a later time? Someone help me out if I'm way wrong here.
I noticed that too, and hope there is some truth to it. My only concern is they havenít come out to say that if it is the case. Given the backlash, which I assume is far more pervasive than they anticipated, I would think they would try to calm the tide a bit? Part of me still wonders if they donít release all of the tour dates and assess how things progress.
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