The Ledge

Go Back   The Ledge > Main Forums > Rumours
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Make the Ads Go Away! Click here.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #106  
Old 12-13-2016, 04:17 PM
FuzzyPlum FuzzyPlum is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 3,386
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SisterNightroad View Post
No all of you didn't truly get it, that's the worst one.
Lindsey doesn't simply have a mid-life crisis, he IS a mid-life crisis. He is the embodiment of the crisis itself, we don't know when he got it (maybe he's born with it?) but he never completely got over it.
He already had it in high school when he practiced with very successful outcomes the very virile sport of competitive swimming and posed proudly for pictures in swimsuit with his package in sight.
He kept on having it when he started with music and his masculine fro was accompanied with pornstar mustaches.
And when later in the 70s of the success he donned very low-waist jeans with open blouses that showed his manly rug.
And when between the 70s and the 80s he cut his hair and started being Maybelline's new testimonial.
And when in the 80s his curls started resembling pubic hair and he posed naked (!!!) for a magazine.
And now...he wears leather jackets and gels his hair to make it curlier. It's not as bad as it once was but I suspect he'll soon buy a motorcycle.

Erm, I don't quite buy the premise;
posing for photographs in speedos as a teenager, having a moustache along with 95% of men in the 70's, having a pubic-hair hair style...
Are they really the embodiment of mid life crisis?
If so, sh!t, I've been in denial my whole life! I need to buy a Yamaha.

....I'll collect my leather jacket on the way out.
Reply With Quote
  #107  
Old 12-13-2016, 04:20 PM
jbrownsjr jbrownsjr is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 16,377
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SisterNightroad View Post
No all of you didn't truly get it, that's the worst one.
Lindsey doesn't simply have a mid-life crisis, he IS a mid-life crisis. He is the embodiment of the crisis itself, we don't know when he got it (maybe he's born with it?) but he never completely got over it.
He already had it in high school when he practiced with very successful outcomes the very virile sport of competitive swimming and posed proudly for pictures in swimsuit with his package in sight.
He kept on having it when he started with music and his masculine fro was accompanied with pornstar mustaches.
And when later in the 70s of the success he donned very low-waist jeans with open blouses that showed his manly rug.
And when between the 70s and the 80s he cut his hair and started being Maybelline's new testimonial.
And when in the 80s his curls started resembling pubic hair and he posed naked (!!!) for a magazine.
And now...he wears leather jackets and gels his hair to make it curlier. It's not as bad as it once was but I suspect he'll soon buy a motorcycle.
ah ah ah .. don't forget skinny jeans..
__________________
I would tell Christine Perfect, "You're Christine f***ing McVie, and don't you forget it!"
Reply With Quote
  #108  
Old 12-13-2016, 04:51 PM
elle's Avatar
elle elle is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: DC
Posts: 12,150
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SisterNightroad View Post
Lindsey doesn't simply have a mid-life crisis, he IS a mid-life crisis. He is the embodiment of the crisis itself, we don't know when he got it (maybe he's born with it?) but he never completely got over it.
He already had it in high school when he practiced with very successful outcomes the very virile sport of competitive swimming and posed proudly for pictures in swimsuit with his package in sight.
He kept on having it when he started with music and his masculine fro was accompanied with pornstar mustaches.
And when later in the 70s of the success he donned very low-waist jeans with open blouses that showed his manly rug.
And when between the 70s and the 80s he cut his hair and started being Maybelline's new testimonial.
And when in the 80s his curls started resembling pubic hair and he posed naked (!!!) for a magazine.
And now...he wears leather jackets and gels his hair to make it curlier. It's not as bad as it once was but I suspect he'll soon buy a motorcycle.
you know, while the first half of what you describe i think was probably normal for the time and environment, at some point he stayed stuck in the 70s with those widely open shirts. i always thought that was so weird when i first got into LB fandom - those completely unbuttoned shirts in the 90s and 2000s when everybody else left that particular fashion fad back in the 70s.

the other side of the coin is, and i may be completely wrong, but i do think Lindsey is on some level very insecure - which is weird for a person as successful as he is, but seems to be there. or maybe it's not that weird, maybe that's what many entertainers are in fact, driving them towards that need for outside validation to overcome their insecurities.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum View Post
Erm, I don't quite buy the premise;
posing for photographs in speedos as a teenager, having a moustache along with 95% of men in the 70's, having a pubic-hair hair style...
Are they really the embodiment of mid life crisis?
If so, sh!t, I've been in denial my whole life! I need to buy a Yamaha.

....I'll collect my leather jacket on the way out.
hahaha, see you learn something every day!
__________________

"kind of weird: a tribute to the dearly departed from a band that can treat its living like trash"
Reply With Quote
  #109  
Old 12-13-2016, 05:12 PM
HomerMcvie's Avatar
HomerMcvie HomerMcvie is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Posts: 15,738
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SisterNightroad View Post
You don't get to tell us what to do with our bashing!
Stevie is a goat
Christine is a trans
Mick is a dandy queer
John doesn't wash for weeks at a time
Lindsey is a mid-life crisis
I actually agree with all of those assessments!
__________________
Christine McVie- she radiated both purity and sass in equal measure, bringing light to the music of the 70s. RIP. - John Taylor(Duran Duran)
Reply With Quote
  #110  
Old 12-13-2016, 05:15 PM
dreamsunwind dreamsunwind is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,331
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by elle View Post
the other side of the coin is, and i may be completely wrong, but i do think Lindsey is on some level very insecure - which is weird for a person as successful as he is, but seems to be there. or maybe it's not that weird, maybe that's what many entertainers are in fact, driving them towards that need for outside validation to overcome their insecurities.
I think so too. I think he's actually very insecure and unsure of himself. In my opinion, that's where a lot of his 'ego' comes from-- a need of validation. Like if you're not actually sure that you're good so you tell yourself that you are to make yourself feel better, along those lines.

He's a total libra.
Reply With Quote
  #111  
Old 12-13-2016, 05:22 PM
HomerMcvie's Avatar
HomerMcvie HomerMcvie is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Posts: 15,738
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamsunwind View Post
He's a total libra.
Oh god, your Stevie slip is showing....
__________________
Christine McVie- she radiated both purity and sass in equal measure, bringing light to the music of the 70s. RIP. - John Taylor(Duran Duran)
Reply With Quote
  #112  
Old 12-13-2016, 05:35 PM
dreamsunwind dreamsunwind is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,331
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerMcvie View Post
Oh god, your Stevie slip is showing....


I always think of how funny it is to me when (and I have seen this a lot) some Stevie fans always make snarky comments about Lindsey's ego as if Stevie doesn't have an equally massive one herself. They just manifest themselves in different ways I think. With Lindsey it's more of his music and his overthought speeches and all that. And I think him having a family might've helped tame that, if only a little bit. With Stevie it's just her entire 'Stevie Nicks' thing. Show the IYD doc to ANYONE and they will walk away saying 'Stevie sure loves Stevie'.
Reply With Quote
  #113  
Old 12-13-2016, 05:59 PM
HomerMcvie's Avatar
HomerMcvie HomerMcvie is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Posts: 15,738
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamsunwind View Post


I always think of how funny it is to me when (and I have seen this a lot) some Stevie fans always make snarky comments about Lindsey's ego as if Stevie doesn't have an equally massive one herself. They just manifest themselves in different ways I think. With Lindsey it's more of his music and his overthought speeches and all that. And I think him having a family might've helped tame that, if only a little bit. With Stevie it's just her entire 'Stevie Nicks' thing. Show the IYD doc to ANYONE and they will walk away saying 'Stevie sure loves Stevie'.
Agreed on both counts!

And I think Mick is the same.

However, I don't think Chris or John are like that, at all!
I think Chris and John are both, "yeah, I'm talented, but know what? I got richer than hell off this band. Life is good, and I'm enjoying the rewards". I really don't think either one of them has anything near the egos of the other three.
__________________
Christine McVie- she radiated both purity and sass in equal measure, bringing light to the music of the 70s. RIP. - John Taylor(Duran Duran)
Reply With Quote
  #114  
Old 12-13-2016, 06:23 PM
elle's Avatar
elle elle is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: DC
Posts: 12,150
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamsunwind View Post
I think so too. I think he's actually very insecure and unsure of himself. In my opinion, that's where a lot of his 'ego' comes from-- a need of validation. Like if you're not actually sure that you're good so you tell yourself that you are to make yourself feel better, along those lines.
he's actually total opposite - he keeps saying that he doesn't know how stuff will turn out so he doesn't want to do it etc etc. i do think he's pretty secure in his talent. just not secure in all ways he can easily manifest it. like his perfectionism, the need to get the song just perfectly the way he wants it before performing it live. some of the times we got him to do stuff by request at his solo shows, and he would be stressing about how bad and unrehearsed it was after he played it - while everybody in the audience was stunned how great and off the cuff it was, feeling privileged we witnessed something extraordinary. at the 92Y Q&A the RS interviewer couldn't help himself remarking how much Lindsey hated having to tune his guitar in front of the live audience - and how special it was for us to experience it!

Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamsunwind View Post


I always think of how funny it is to me when (and I have seen this a lot) some Stevie fans always make snarky comments about Lindsey's ego as if Stevie doesn't have an equally massive one herself. They just manifest themselves in different ways I think. With Lindsey it's more of his music and his overthought speeches and all that. And I think him having a family might've helped tame that, if only a little bit. With Stevie it's just her entire 'Stevie Nicks' thing. Show the IYD doc to ANYONE and they will walk away saying 'Stevie sure loves Stevie'.
see that's insecurity, thinking they'd not be interesting enough if he just ad-lib-ed them. and introversion, i guess.
__________________

"kind of weird: a tribute to the dearly departed from a band that can treat its living like trash"
Reply With Quote
  #115  
Old 12-13-2016, 06:59 PM
dreamsunwind dreamsunwind is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,331
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by elle View Post
he's actually total opposite - he keeps saying that he doesn't know how stuff will turn out so he doesn't want to do it etc etc. i do think he's pretty secure in his talent. just not secure in all ways he can easily manifest it. like his perfectionism, the need to get the song just perfectly the way he wants it before performing it live. some of the times we got him to do stuff by request at his solo shows, and he would be stressing about how bad and unrehearsed it was after he played it - while everybody in the audience was stunned how great and off the cuff it was, feeling privileged we witnessed something extraordinary. at the 92Y Q&A the RS interviewer couldn't help himself remarking how much Lindsey hated having to tune his guitar in front of the live audience - and how special it was for us to experience it!


see that's insecurity, thinking they'd not be interesting enough if he just ad-lib-ed them. and introversion, i guess.

Good point. Interesting what you mentioned about his solo shows. I think insecurity is the root for most of it, as it probably is for a lot of other people as well. That reminds me of the 'Lindsey Buckingham: Lonely Guy' article where he keeps telling the reporter things like 'do you want to play croquet? I really don't do anything, I knew it would be boring' etc.
Reply With Quote
  #116  
Old 12-13-2016, 08:29 PM
KarmaContestant's Avatar
KarmaContestant KarmaContestant is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 3,911
Default

You know, the thing is - it doesn't matter to any of you why Stevie fans are or aren't bitter, so why bother asking? You don't want to know any legitimate reasons someone might be (or mostly likely not be) bitter about FM, just like us Stevie fans don't really care how bitter you are about Stevie and her lasting solo success and duration in the public eye. Elle is only asking as a basis to continue this forum's ridiculous discussion about how she's supposedly ruining Fleetwood Mac's chances of a swansong album, when this conversation should have been over 18 months ago. It's just another lame excuse to mock her and her fans.

The truth is - it's *you* who are bitter. Bitter because Stevie is more successful, popular, on tour, recording music, and loving her life. Bitter because you know there won't be a Fleetwood Mac album without her, because God, what label would even want to sign them for even a one-off album without her? Might as well just record the loss on the books and move on. By all means - write Lindsey and Mick and beg them to carry on without her. Beg Warner or Reprise or Sony or, hell, beg Jimmy Iovine to sign them to Interscope without her. It's you who are bitter because she doesn't need them - and how ironic that she wasn't even wanted by them, and yet somehow through a karmic twist of fate, it's she who carries on? It's she who by and large brought the masses to the shows. It's her recording albums, even if sparsely, even if you think they aren't any good - they're still for sale. It's she who had their only number one song. It's Rhiannon that propelled Fleetwood Mac from a backwater blues-ish nobody band to the massive stars they became. Bitter because you know it is Stevie who has kept interest in Fleetwood Mac going all these years.

(Disclaimer: I cannot deny that Lindsey, Chris and Stevie made magic together. I *am* a fan of the Nicksian Fleetwood Mac's music, all of them, whether they record an album or not!)

I mean seriously - it's the same pathetic four or five individuals here who have kept these Stevie-bashing topics going for over a year. Don't you have anything better to do with your lives, your time, your energy, than talk scheiße about a nearly 70 year old woman who simply doesn't care what you think about her? Sad, really.

Stevie is the key to Fleetwood Mac and it just eats you up inside, doesn't it?

Well, have fun with that. I'll be over at any of the numerous Stevie Facebook groups, celebrating her tour, her music, her successes, and her vibrant career with the rest of her "bitter" fans.


And Michelle, we all know you're the owner here. These forums have lost so many regular members because of the overwhelming negativity that is The Ledge, but if these are the kinds of discussions you wish to foster, if this is the kind of "fan" board you wish to run, more power to you I guess. I hope you never look at your investment here as a waste.
__________________
I'm not the man you think I am. My love has never lived indoors - I had to drag it home by four, hired hounds at both my wrists, damp and bruised by strangers' kisses on my lips. But you're the one that I still miss. Neko Case
Reply With Quote
  #117  
Old 12-13-2016, 09:10 PM
KenshiMaster16 KenshiMaster16 is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Durham, NC
Posts: 570
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KarmaContestant View Post
You know, the thing is - it doesn't matter to any of you why Stevie fans are or aren't bitter, so why bother asking? You don't want to know any legitimate reasons someone might be (or mostly likely not be) bitter about FM, just like us Stevie fans don't really care how bitter you are about Stevie and her lasting solo success and duration in the public eye. Elle is only asking as a basis to continue this forum's ridiculous discussion about how she's supposedly ruining Fleetwood Mac's chances of a swansong album, when this conversation should have been over 18 months ago. It's just another lame excuse to mock her and her fans.

The truth is - it's *you* who are bitter. Bitter because Stevie is more successful, popular, on tour, recording music, and loving her life.
Not a dig but I firmly believe that anyone, yes anyone, who thinks Stevie is more popular than the band as a whole is firmly delusional and speaking solely from a fandom perspective. She will never, and has never, done the same numbers the Mac has and has never garnered as much attention either. No single member is bigger than the band, no matter who they are, and will never be.

Is she maybe the face of the band? One could argue that but more popular on the whole? Far from it.
Reply With Quote
  #118  
Old 12-13-2016, 09:58 PM
dreamsunwind dreamsunwind is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,331
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KarmaContestant View Post
You know, the thing is - it doesn't matter to any of you why Stevie fans are or aren't bitter, so why bother asking? You don't want to know any legitimate reasons someone might be (or mostly likely not be) bitter about FM, just like us Stevie fans don't really care how bitter you are about Stevie and her lasting solo success and duration in the public eye. Elle is only asking as a basis to continue this forum's ridiculous discussion about how she's supposedly ruining Fleetwood Mac's chances of a swansong album, when this conversation should have been over 18 months ago. It's just another lame excuse to mock her and her fans.

The truth is - it's *you* who are bitter. Bitter because Stevie is more successful, popular, on tour, recording music, and loving her life. Bitter because you know there won't be a Fleetwood Mac album without her, because God, what label would even want to sign them for even a one-off album without her? Might as well just record the loss on the books and move on. By all means - write Lindsey and Mick and beg them to carry on without her. Beg Warner or Reprise or Sony or, hell, beg Jimmy Iovine to sign them to Interscope without her. It's you who are bitter because she doesn't need them - and how ironic that she wasn't even wanted by them, and yet somehow through a karmic twist of fate, it's she who carries on? It's she who by and large brought the masses to the shows. It's her recording albums, even if sparsely, even if you think they aren't any good - they're still for sale. It's she who had their only number one song. It's Rhiannon that propelled Fleetwood Mac from a backwater blues-ish nobody band to the massive stars they became. Bitter because you know it is Stevie who has kept interest in Fleetwood Mac going all these years.

(Disclaimer: I cannot deny that Lindsey, Chris and Stevie made magic together. I *am* a fan of the Nicksian Fleetwood Mac's music, all of them, whether they record an album or not!)

I mean seriously - it's the same pathetic four or five individuals here who have kept these Stevie-bashing topics going for over a year. Don't you have anything better to do with your lives, your time, your energy, than talk scheiße about a nearly 70 year old woman who simply doesn't care what you think about her? Sad, really.

Stevie is the key to Fleetwood Mac and it just eats you up inside, doesn't it?

Well, have fun with that. I'll be over at any of the numerous Stevie Facebook groups, celebrating her tour, her music, her successes, and her vibrant career with the rest of her "bitter" fans.


And Michelle, we all know you're the owner here. These forums have lost so many regular members because of the overwhelming negativity that is The Ledge, but if these are the kinds of discussions you wish to foster, if this is the kind of "fan" board you wish to run, more power to you I guess. I hope you never look at your investment here as a waste.
Just speaking for myself, I'm a huge fan of Fleetwood Mac as a whole, and all of its members. I have no 'bitterness' about anything and certainly not about Stevie's popularity as an individual which I can acknowledge is a key part of what made Fleetwood Mac popular. The word that I think describes my feelings is disappointment. I'm disappointed in Stevie because of the position she's chosen to be in regarding this band. It seems like she doesn't really want to be a band member anymore, which is her right, because Lindsey and Christine experienced that as well. But the thing is, when Lindsey and Christine didn't want to be in the band anymore, they just left. Lindsey even did a big amount work on an album that became very successful and then left after that. Stevie knows that the rest of them want to make a final album to wrap things up and she knows that it would be very awkward to release an album without her, not only because she is their most popular member but also because it would just be a strange thing, after Christine came back and this being the final curtain for the band, how do they explain her not being there? For me at least, I have no problem at all understanding why they would be so hesitant because talk about a very awkward thing. As someone mentioned earlier, it would be like the weirdness of the 90s era of this band. She's leaving them in a weird state of limbo right now and that's not fair I don't think.

And while I agree with you that Stevie's star helped propel the band, I think more than anything, it was all of them together. In the time of Tango, their huge hits were Little Lies and Everywhere. Tango itself was their biggest album since Rumours and Stevie might as well not have been on it. Go Your Own Way is probably their most enduring song ever, I hear it way more than any other song, even if Dreams was the #1. In fact, and this is no attack on you, I think the argument that Stevie had the only band #1 is no longer relevant because they've had PLENTY of other songs become huge. Take a look at Spotify, which is the most popular streaming site around (and to me this is telling, because most people these days use streaming to listen to music) and you'll see that Go Your Own Way has a hell of a lot more streams than Dreams does. I would never deny that Stevie and her persona (for lack of a better word) was essential in getting FM to the top, but Lindsey and Christine and Mick and John were as well. When Stevie's solo career/her 'star' in general had fallen, it was The Dance that revived her (as well as the others).

I mentioned before that the titles of these threads say a lot 'Stevie fans' being pitted against 'Fleetwood Mac fans', even though Stevie is literally a member of Fleetwood Mac. But she's not acting like one and that's causing all the frustration. I of course don't think it's okay at all to be bashing her and I LOVE Stevie, but I really question why some Stevie fans can't just take their blinders off and realize that what she's doing right now is annoying to people and it's no wonder many are mad at her about it.

Last edited by dreamsunwind; 12-13-2016 at 10:01 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #119  
Old 12-13-2016, 10:13 PM
24karatstevie's Avatar
24karatstevie 24karatstevie is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Missouri
Posts: 375
Default

As a Stevie fan and as a Fleetwood Mac fan, I just have to say that I am having a blast with Stevie's current tour. She sounds phenomenal, is full of life, and is singing songs I never thought she would. This is definitely a good time to be a Stevie fan! That being said I also understand the frustration felt here. I too would like to see a final album, hopefully with Stevie. I understand being frustrated but what I don't get is the constant Stevie bashing and name calling against Stevie. It's ok to be disappointed in her or even not like her but some of the things said against her are completely unwarranted and not even related to the topic at hand. I've also seen some not-so-nice things said about the other FM members as well. I guess I just don't understand all the hatred that has come about recently. I hope something does come up soon that works for everyone.
Reply With Quote
  #120  
Old 12-13-2016, 10:32 PM
bombaysaffires bombaysaffires is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: West Coast
Posts: 6,236
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dreamsunwind View Post


I always think of how funny it is to me when (and I have seen this a lot) some Stevie fans always make snarky comments about Lindsey's ego as if Stevie doesn't have an equally massive one herself. They just manifest themselves in different ways I think. With Lindsey it's more of his music and his overthought speeches and all that. And I think him having a family might've helped tame that, if only a little bit. With Stevie it's just her entire 'Stevie Nicks' thing. Show the IYD doc to ANYONE and they will walk away saying 'Stevie sure loves Stevie'.
yeah they both do for sure. but I think if the "fame" went away, he'd be ok with that (but I think if the money went away.....) If her fame went away she'd be most unhappy
__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


The Zoo Shakin' the Cage CD Mick Fleetwood Bekka Bramlett Billy Thorpe picture

The Zoo Shakin' the Cage CD Mick Fleetwood Bekka Bramlett Billy Thorpe

$64.00



RITA COOLIDGE CD THINKIN' ABOUT YOU BEKKA BRAMLETT LETTING YOU GO WITH LOVE 1998 picture

RITA COOLIDGE CD THINKIN' ABOUT YOU BEKKA BRAMLETT LETTING YOU GO WITH LOVE 1998

$14.99



I Got News for You - Audio CD By Bekka Bramlett - VERY GOOD picture

I Got News for You - Audio CD By Bekka Bramlett - VERY GOOD

$249.52



SEALED***South of Heaven, West of Hell Dwight Yoakam  CD 2001 Brand New picture

SEALED***South of Heaven, West of Hell Dwight Yoakam CD 2001 Brand New

$29.99



Bekka (Bramlett) & Billy (Burnette) - Bekka & Billy - 1997 Almo Sounds - Used CD picture

Bekka (Bramlett) & Billy (Burnette) - Bekka & Billy - 1997 Almo Sounds - Used CD

$9.00




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:36 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
© 1995-2003 Martin and Lisa Adelson, All Rights Reserved