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Old 07-07-2018, 10:13 AM
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There is a million tons of recent news and academic and legal research that make it seem that well, yes, claims of abuse by the abused need to be taken seriously and accepted as truth.


Stevie did not survive an abusive relationship with Lindsey. Because he is a great artist. Got it.
Your extrapolation of my comment is neither accurate nor fair. My hesitation about considering Lindsey an abuser of Stevie has nothing to do with his artistry. In fact, many great artists have turned out to be awful human beings in so many ways (Wagner comes to mind). My concern about these claims is that Stevie herself has never claimed that Lindsey abused her. There is the Australian concert where he might have tried to kick her on stage and the notorious 1987 breakup at Christine’s house. And even then neither incident has been clearly and reliably reported.

Should Stevie actually come forward and make claims, then we have another matter on hand—and even then we would not take the claim lightly or casually. This doesn’t mean we would refuse to believe her but that the claim would need to be balanced with corroborating testimony, if available, and weighed against his comments, too. It’s called due process. So don’t try to put words in my mouth.

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Old 07-07-2018, 10:59 AM
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I don't doubt that Lindsey has been an abusive asshole towards his former girlfriends. That did cost him, his image has been tarnished for decades.

But that has never kept Stevie, Mick, John or Christine from making music with him, cashing their checks and enjoy their stardom. That also did not keep Stevie from decades of slow dancing, stage romance and sad eyes interviews about how much she loved him. Also, where were the fans protesting him during concerts, who boycotted the band? I certainly did not, while I have my problems with his character, he has won me over again and again by being one hell of an musician, a great entertainer and a powerstation onstage.

But now that the band is heaviliy criticized for firing him, this is suddenly a thing for the band and for the FM fans? GMAFB.

It does also not mean that he has been unable to change, to become a better man, mellow out and be a good husband and father.
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Old 07-07-2018, 11:29 AM
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Didn't this book come out a while ago? I wonder why Fox news is talking about it now?
I was thinking the same thing. Plus that book was so full of inaccuracies. I haven't even read it.
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Old 07-07-2018, 11:38 AM
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It ticks me off that this Davis guy can regurgitate a bunch of interviews others have done, get half his facts wrong, and still make money off of Stevie... while the gullible public eats it up. They also believe everything they read because hey, it wouldn't get published in a book if it weren't true!

So many people actually believe Stevie wrote this herself, or at least was interviewed extensively for it, simply because it has her picture on it and says "biography."

Nope. That would be an AUTObiography, folks. And this is not one. This is crap.

Thanks for the incisive reporting that lends credence to it, foxnews!
I don't understand why Stephen Davis is held in high regard as a writer. After this it makes me question his past works including Hammer of the Gods which was supposed to be a high water mark for him.
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Old 07-07-2018, 11:41 AM
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Stevie has never "reported" that Lindsey abused her (unless you're talking about the Tusk thing and Tango incident). We don't know what happened or didn't happen all those years ago but that she reported anything is completely untrue. I think a lot of people who aren't as familiar with Stevie/FM think that this book is a legit biography of Stevie which is why it pops up in the news every now and then. I actually got curious by all the terrible reviews that some fans gave the book so I skimmed through it myself and it really is pretty bad. Tons of inaccurate info, a lot of stories and things seemingly just pulled out of thin air, actual facts that are clearly checkable completely wrong and whatnot. Stevie never even spoke to the writer and I highly doubt anyone close to her did either and just "requested anonymity". This same writer also wrote a Carly Simon bio and he said he was a friend of Carly and she acknowledged that she knew him but she was FURIOUS about the book and denounced it and denounced the things he tried to portray in it and said she has never spoken to him about it and it wasn't authorized and all that. So in general I wouldn't give this book/writer too much attention.
He really should be ashamed of himself. This is a guy who has access and could write some compelling stories. Instead he's a hack.
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Old 07-07-2018, 11:44 AM
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When I skimmed through it I remember reading some tall tale that said Stevie had specific requests to not have African American limo drivers.
That is insane. Where was he even trying to go with that? She's the last person who would ever be accused of that.
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Old 07-07-2018, 11:48 AM
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Stevie does not have to state that she was abused, her song lyrics and behaviors do it.
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Old 07-07-2018, 11:50 AM
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The book was trash. This news story not substantiated. However, given the timing of its release coinciding with the band’s attempt to reboot, I wouldn’t be surprised if the story wasn’t encouraged by Stevie or Mick.

There’s little doubt of Lindsey’s abrasiveness, and of his occasionally being a class-A jerk. But claims of abuse should never be taken lightly or casually accepted as truth. I have yet to read any unquestionably reliable source confirming this—including Carol Ann Harris.
It's in her book and I know that I'm in the minority here but it's quite good.
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Old 07-07-2018, 11:51 AM
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There is a million tons of recent news and academic and legal research that make it seem that well, yes, claims of abuse by the abused need to be taken seriously and accepted as truth.


Stevie did not survive an abusive relationship with Lindsey. Because he is a great artist. Got it.
Talented people are saintly yo.
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It's in her book and I know that I'm in the minority here but it's quite good.
Her—you mean Carol Anne Harris? It’s an entertaining read and I believe there is some truth to it. But Stevie has never made direct claims for herself.
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No one in this thread has said or implied this except you and Mitzo.
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I wouldn't doubt that Lindsey was abusive however I would need to hear it from Stevie or someone actually close to her before I believe it. This book just rehashes interviews that have been accessible in the public domain for years. I think it's well-documented that Lindsey could be condescending towards Stevie, and undoubtedly nasty at times, but that is hardly the salacious abusive relationship that this author is trying to promote. I'm annoyed that so many news outlets are rehashing the author's twisted conclusions as news.
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Are we going to do this again? The 3 Stevie sycophants are going to drive this into the ground, kick it back out to Pluto, and then circle infinity and beyond to prove their point- Lindsey is fire breathing Satan himself and Stevie is a beautiful child of angelic divinity. All the while the 3 Lindseysciples will claim every negative word ever uttered is part of a secret plot to leave Lindsey as a lonely popper in a Bulgarian prison.

Fact - The abuse claims about Lindsey are from 35-40 plus years ago. He has clearly taken positive steps to create a life built on the foundation of love for and from his family. Fact - Stevie was a drug riddled addict 30 years ago and took the positive steps to recognize the damage her addiction did to those she loves and found a love for herself to rise above her years of addiction and now leads a productive, positive life based on her terms. Fact - Fleetwood Mac is a business and the majority of the stakeholders decided to change the direction of the business.

I personally hate the new direction, but they had every right to do it. Ultimately, it will be judged by the quality of the product and its profitability.

These personal attacks on each of them by people here who quite frankly know ZERO about what went down 3 months ago, let alone 30 years ago, are nothing more than the rantings of the mob who are amused by engaging in the use of poisonous words, without any real knowledge, to personally destruct those they believe harmed their icon.

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Are we going to do this again? The 3 Stevie sycophants are going to drive this into the ground, kick it back out to Pluto, and then circle infinity and beyond to prove their point- Lindsey is fire breathing Satan himself and Stevie is a beautiful child of angelic divinity. All the while the 3 Lindseysciples will claim every negative word ever uttered is part of a secret plot to leave Lindsey as a lonely popper in a Bulgarian prison.

Fact - The abuse claims about Lindsey are from 35-40 plus years ago. He has clearly taken positive steps to create a life built on the foundation of love for and from his family. Fact - Stevie was a drug riddled addict 30 years ago and took the positive steps to recognize the damage her addiction did to those she loves and found a love for herself to rise above her years of addiction and now leads a productive, positive life based on her terms. Fact - Fleetwood Mac is a business and the majority of the stakeholders decided to change the direction of the business.

I personally hate the new direction, but they had every right to do it. Ultimately, it will be judged by the quality of the product and its profitability.

These personal attacks on each of them by people here who quite frankly know ZERO about what went down 3 months ago, let alone 30 years ago, are nothing more than the rantings of the mob who are amused by engaging in the use of poisonous words, without any real knowledge, to personally destruct those they believe harmed their icon.
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That is insane. Where was he even trying to go with that? She's the last person who would ever be accused of that.
It was just very casually mentioned and then not discussed again which shows you how the book is ridiculous and you can tell by all the interviews he gave promoting it that he's not legit. He was going for the attention-grabby things. From what I read, his book on Carly had similar issues. No new information and things that were 'new' were made up stories that he put under the umbrella of having come from sources that didn't want to be named. Carly denounced the book. But probably a lot of people that don't know that and don't know much about Stevie will see the book and read it thinking it's legit.

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