It's all out in the open now...THE TRUTH

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Lindsey is a feckless, obsessive, grandiose perfectionist. Lindsey had the fewest career releases of anyone in the classic lineup. Lindsey had the fewest top 40 singles of the classic lineup writers. Lindsey’s solo albums never cracked the top 30.

In the 21 years between the end of the “Mirage” tour and SYW, Lindsey only did three studio albums (Go Insane, TITN, and OOTC) and two tours (about 90 shows). In that same time, Stevie did seven studio albums and ten tours (over 550 shows). For further context, in the 23 years between the end of the BTM tour and OWTS, Christine did two studio albums and one tour (47 shows), and she was in some state of retirement during those years.

Maybe if Lindsey had gotten off his ass and actually did something instead of basking in the glow of his visionary genius he wouldn’t have become the easily expendable one.

He should of slept his way through producers, musicians and other woman’s hisband like Stevie did.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by secondhandchain

Funny how you forget that Lindsey had a produce all the Fleetwood Mac Albums while Steve he would come and go as she pleases.

No, not giving you that. In the decade between TITN and The Dance, Lindsey did one album, which peaked at #128 and a tour (43 shows), mostly opening for Tina Turner. The band wasn’t holding him back.

Fleetwood Mac made two albums (one peaking at #18 and producing a top 40 single) and did three tours (about 245 shows). Between Fleetwood Mac and solo, Stevie did three studio albums and five tours (around 290 shows), all done before Lindsey and Mick started working together. Hell Mick did a Zoo album and club tour and even John did a solo project. Lindsey didn’t have anyone but himself to blame for his lack of productivity during those years.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

He should of slept his way through producers, musicians and other woman’s hisband like Stevie did.

You said “should of” and “hisband.”



ETA: And you called Lindsey a woman!!!

[Nick]

Let’s compare them to more recent pop acts:

Stevie is the Beyoncé and LB is the Kelly Rowland.

Stevie is the Justin Timberlake and LB is the JC Chasez.

Sometimes there’s only room for one superstar in a group!!!

Stay mad and jealous LB fans.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by Nick

Let’s compare them to more recent pop acts:

Stevie is the Beyoncé and LB is the Kelly Rowland.

Stevie is the Justin Timberlake and LB is the JC Chasez.

Sometimes there’s only room for one superstar in a group!!!

Stay mad and jealous LB fans.

Bad analogy..None of these people were instrumental in getting their respective Superstars to join a band that they were solely asked to join nor did they produce and arrange the music that propelled their more famous band member to stardom.

[TheWildHeart67]

It's funny. People refer to Stevie Nicks as having a devoted cult following. But Lindsey Buckingham also has a feverishly devoted cult following himself. And as these boards have proven time after time his cult following is obsessed just as much.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

Bad analogy..None of these people were instrumental in getting their respective Superstars to join a band that they were solely asked to join nor did they produce and arrange the music that propelled their more famous band member to stardom.

You have me there as far as producing is concerned. I was actually referring more to his solo career and his album sales compared to Stevie.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67

It's funny. People refer to Stevie Nicks as having a devoted cult following. But Lindsey Buckingham also has a feverishly devoted cult following himself. And as these boards have proven time after time his cult following is obsessed just as much.

Yes and elle is their leader

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

None of these people were instrumental in getting their respective Superstars to join a band that they were solely asked to join

That point has been way overstated. Mick called Keith Olsen (who had already been retained to do the next Fleetwood Mac album) to convince that guitarist from that band to join. Keith immediately explained that he came as a package deal, and Mick asked Keith to convince THEM to join. (ETA: I have a theory that Olsen would have tried to make that match even if Bob Welch had stayed. He needed to stop having Buckingham Nicks be freeloaders.)

In any event, Stevie is the one who had put her foot down that they join. Lindsey didn’t want to.

nor did they produce and arrange the music that propelled their more famous band member to stardom.

Yeah, but he didn’t write lyrics or develop her stage personna. He was only a piece of the puzzle.

[saniette]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

No, not giving you that. In the decade between TITN and The Dance, Lindsey did one album, which peaked at #128 and a tour (43 shows), mostly opening for Tina Turner. The band wasn’t holding him back.

Fleetwood Mac made two albums (one peaking at #18 and producing a top 40 single) and did three tours (about 245 shows). Between Fleetwood Mac and solo, Stevie did three studio albums and five tours (around 290 shows), all done before Lindsey and Mick started working together. Hell Mick did a Zoo album and club tour and even John did a solo project. Lindsey didn’t have anyone but himself to blame for his lack of productivity during those years.

And none of that has anything to do with the quality of musical output. Some people on this board are obsessed with album sales, chart placements, and venue size. Some kind of pissing contest I guess. Lots of cult albums with initially poor sales that are now more well regarded than bestsellers in their day. According to your logic, Fiona Apple sucks (4 albums in 20 years - most way better than Stevie's) and bands like the Velvet Underground and Big Star are failures. There are aesthetic criteria as well, and the bland, static arena rock show of current FM is a kind of failure to me.

Lindsey's albums are more interesting musically than hers. Stevie writes the same boring type of song over and over. Lindsey takes songs from writing stage all the way through to final production, something Stevie cannot, has not, and will never do. Considering how spotty her solo output is, she probably should have been more of a perfectionist. Check out their Rate Your Music rankings - Stevie's albums are rated much lower than his. Maybe release fewer albums with stronger material?

And there is no contest between the Lindsey and Stevie cults. No one refers to Lindsey as "my king". It's more of the usual rabid fanhood sure, but nothing like Stevie's.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Yeah, but he didn’t write lyrics or develop her stage personna. He was only a piece of the puzzle.

I'll give the devil her due there . She really knew what to do with herself and it is paying off to this day.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by saniette

And none of that has anything to do with the quality of musical output. Some people on this board are obsessed with album sales, chart placements, and venue size.

Except it is relevant when people try to give Lindsey all of the credit for Fleetwood Mac’s success. At that point, it begs the question if he’s solely responsible for their success, why didn’t any of the albums he made outside of Fleetwood Mac chart higher than #32?

Personally, I don’t credit their success to any one individual, and the success doesn’t really matter. My top five solo albums are The Visitor, Gotta Band, In The Skies, Christine McVie, and Bella Donna.

and bands like the Velvet Underground and Big Star are failures. There are aesthetic criteria as well, and the bland, static arena rock show of current FM is a kind of failure to me.

I agree, but that’s exactly why I didn’t mind the change. The setlist, especially the first few shows, was like a dream come true. I think they dropped one too many of the songs that made it interesting to me.

Lindsey's albums are more interesting musically than hers. Stevie writes the same boring type of song over and over. Lindsey takes songs from writing stage all the way through to final production, something Stevie cannot, has not, and will never do. Considering how spotty her solo output is, she probably should have been more of a perfectionist. Check out their Rate Your Music rankings - Stevie's albums are rated much lower than his. Maybe release fewer albums with stronger material?

That’s a bit of a straw man. The point was that it’s hard to argue the band held him back during the decade he wasn’t in the band. He could have released a few albums and done more live shows, but he chose not to. That said, I’d much rather have the warts and all approach to releasing albums a la Guided by Voices and Richard Thompson than only releasing one overthought album five years after it could possibly have been relevant. Hell, he didn’t even play anything from that album, the one he left Fleetwood Mac to make, on his 2006 tour.

[Nicks Fan]

People assume that sticking up for Lindsey means we are part of some cult. Most of us were die hard SN fans then she changed. She refused to make new music solo for a decade and then has refused to make new music with FM. Add to the fact that she has way overblown Tom Petty's death to make it all about herself. The They were good friends for sure but they were not even married. Using a FM tour to pay respect to someone who did nothing for FM while stomping all over someone who did a lot for FM is pretty questionable. Same with Prince. The way she keeps talking about him lately she makes it sound like they were much closer or spent more time together then they actually did. In my opinion she has become a very different person then she used to be. Some people will disagree and that is fine.

If you go on social media you can see how many groups are devoted to SN and a very unhealthy worship. Some of the comments are comical.

As for Lindsey while we can all agree his solo output produced little hits and sales it doesn't mean that the music is crappy. I agree his lack of output as a solo artist is something that has hurt his career. If he had been more prolific and had he toured solo before 92 who knows how successful he would have been.

I respect Stevie's solo output though I don't love everything she has put out. I do think though she owes allot of her success to the people who produced and arranged her music. She has written some great music but someone had to take her poems and make them into the gems.

As for the FM production. I am sure we all agree SN is and always will be the biggest thing to come out of FM but where I take issue is people who act like Lindsey had little to nothing to do with FM's success. In my opinion he was a meticulous craftsman who arranged and produced the music turning them into the classics we know and love.

One thing I don't get is the excitement over the current tour. How many times do you need to hear the same SN songs over and over. Since 2001 she or FM have toured numerous times giving fans plenty of times to see them live. What makes this tour any different then the others? The pre 75 material is stuff that most of the fans who bought tickets don't know or care about and they have dropped some of those songs for that very reason. No matter how many tickets they sell it doesn't disguise that this is another GH tour with a set list mostly comprised of stuff they have done for years on previous tours. The difference is you are paying allot to watch fill in's play on songs recorded and or produced and arranged by other people.

While I can still appreciate the music from the past the current band and what lead to this lineup doesn't sit right with me. If people want to go and support the band that is fine too. I haven't attacked or unfriended people on social media for supporting the band. I have only unfriended people who attacked Lindsey and or his family with vulgar and or nasty remarks.

[TheWildHeart67]

Nicks Fan, look up the definition of a cult following. Many singers have them. So does Lindsey.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Nicks Fan

One thing I don't get is the excitement over the current tour. How many times do you need to hear the same SN songs over and over.

That’s not why I was excited. I Got You, Black Magic Woman, Tell Me All The Things You Do, Oh Well, Don’t Dream It’s Over, Hypnotized, Storms, Monday Morning, Free Fallin’, and All Over Again were the highlights.