The Ledge

Go Back   The Ledge > Main Forums > Rumours
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read


Make the Ads Go Away! Click here.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-29-2019, 10:58 PM
jwd jwd is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Fleetucky
Posts: 3,364
Default Fleetwood Mac - Sara



Damn, this a masterpiece! Remember when it was this good?!
Reply With Quote
.
  #2  
Old 11-30-2019, 11:30 AM
greendaze5's Avatar
greendaze5 greendaze5 is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 382
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jwd View Post


Damn, this a masterpiece! Remember when it was this good?!
Yes, Stevie at the height of her FM greatness! I love this version and the one on the 1980 live album!

Seems like she was creating a visual character around this song - the red cloak, her hair up in a pompadour.

When 'Sara' was finally brought back into the FM set in the new millennium, she dressed up in the same way at some shows, but it just didn't work. The red cloak made her look big, and her piled-up straightened hair didn't look like it did back then.

'Sara' on the 2008 'The Soundstage Sessions' version is just awful. Her voice is flat and with no nuances.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-30-2019, 12:18 PM
mitzo mitzo is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,863
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by greendaze5 View Post
Yes, Stevie at the height of her FM greatness! I love this version and the one on the 1980 live album!

Seems like she was creating a visual character around this song - the red cloak, her hair up in a pompadour.

When 'Sara' was finally brought back into the FM set in the new millennium, she dressed up in the same way at some shows, but it just didn't work. The red cloak made her look big, and her piled-up straightened hair didn't look like it did back then.

'Sara' on the 2008 'The Soundstage Sessions' version is just awful. Her voice is flat and with no nuances.
Agreed about the soundstage performance. In fact the whole show was dull and leaden.
__________________
"...every time, you don't come..." "my little demon..." oh dear...

Last edited by mitzo; 11-30-2019 at 12:18 PM.. Reason: typo
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-30-2019, 12:57 PM
Macfan4life's Avatar
Macfan4life Macfan4life is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Somewhere near Key Biscayne, nothing there so I came back
Posts: 6,105
Default

I always thought Stevie looks wasted in this video. I know they were all wasted during this time but her eyes are so glassy. IMHO not many flattery pictures of the band during this era but I always thought Stevie looked horrible in this video.
__________________
My heart will rise up with the morning sun and the hurt I feel will simply melt away
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-30-2019, 01:31 PM
greendaze5's Avatar
greendaze5 greendaze5 is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 382
Default

Just love:

- Lindsey's guitar finger-picking throughout the song. More obvious on the 1980 Live album (some overdubbing in the studio afterwards?)

- Stevie's "All I ever wanted was to knowwwwwwwwwwwwww..." at the end
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-30-2019, 01:37 PM
HomerMcvie's Avatar
HomerMcvie HomerMcvie is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Posts: 15,738
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by greendaze5 View Post
Just love:

- Lindsey's guitar finger-picking throughout the song. More obvious on the 1980 Live album (some overdubbing in the studio afterwards?)
I'm almost positive that MOST of the "1980 Live" guitar is overdubs.
__________________
Christine McVie- she radiated both purity and sass in equal measure, bringing light to the music of the 70s. RIP. - John Taylor(Duran Duran)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-30-2019, 02:14 PM
bombaysaffires bombaysaffires is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: West Coast
Posts: 6,236
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerMcvie View Post
I'm almost positive that MOST of the "1980 Live" guitar is overdubs.
and most of the vocals.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-01-2019, 07:19 PM
jbrownsjr jbrownsjr is online now
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 16,379
Default

I love this video. I love Stevie's look, boots, vocals, and facial expressions. I can't stand the way she sings Sara nowadays. But, her range is so small it is what it is.
__________________
I would tell Christine Perfect, "You're Christine f***ing McVie, and don't you forget it!"
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-01-2019, 10:27 PM
jmn3 jmn3 is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 1,842
Default

This song peaked from a live perspective on the Tusk Tour. Some of those performances are just magical to listen to. The Live album of course, and Tusk Deluxe...but some of the bootlegs too. Melbourne and Japan (can't remember what city) were always amazing to me.

It lost something on the Mirage Tour (tempo seemed a bit faster, her vocal nuances were just blah as compared to Tusk), seemed okay from the few versions I have heard from 1988, and then has just been perfunctory since it got reintroduced in 2004. I would have loved to have heard it on The Dance tour, with Christine actually playing along and Stevie still able to potentially nail the vocal.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-02-2019, 08:56 PM
BLY BLY is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 1,915
Default

I agree Sara peaked on the Tusk tour and should have retired after that but because it was a “Hit” it came back. Sara and Gypsy are two songs and “Hits” that never really translated we’ll live. Sara did for the Tusk tour but Gypsy didn’t even work for the Mirage tour. Studio magic by master Buckingham.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12-03-2019, 12:00 AM
HomerMcvie's Avatar
HomerMcvie HomerMcvie is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Posts: 15,738
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BLY View Post
I agree Sara peaked on the Tusk tour and should have retired after that but because it was a “Hit” it came back. Sara and Gypsy are two songs and “Hits” that never really translated we’ll live. Sara did for the Tusk tour but Gypsy didn’t even work for the Mirage tour. Studio magic by master Buckingham.
Gypsy has never been good, live.

Even on the Mirage tour, with a 6-7 piece band.

Master Buckingham made it pretty much impossible to capture live...
__________________
Christine McVie- she radiated both purity and sass in equal measure, bringing light to the music of the 70s. RIP. - John Taylor(Duran Duran)
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-03-2019, 07:17 AM
jmn3 jmn3 is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 1,842
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerMcvie View Post
Gypsy has never been good, live.

Even on the Mirage tour, with a 6-7 piece band.

Master Buckingham made it pretty much impossible to capture live...
The closest they came was on The Dance. Though I’m sure studio magic post-production helped out there. The current version is dreadful. And any solo version she has done is just Waddy butchering the hell out of the song.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-03-2019, 11:47 AM
lbfan lbfan is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 507
Default Gypsy - AHA Benefit 2000

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerMcvie View Post
Gypsy has never been good, live.

Even on the Mirage tour, with a 6-7 piece band.

Master Buckingham made it pretty much impossible to capture live...
I always liked the acoustic version performed at the AHI benefit in 2000. Lindsey, and two others on acoustic guitars (I think Waddy was one of the other two). There is a video on YouTube of that performance.
https://youtu.be/m5HeRgOVOMw

Last edited by lbfan; 12-03-2019 at 09:06 PM.. Reason: Added link to video
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-03-2019, 12:25 PM
jbrownsjr jbrownsjr is online now
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 16,379
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerMcvie View Post
Gypsy has never been good, live.

Even on the Mirage tour, with a 6-7 piece band.

Master Buckingham made it pretty much impossible to capture live...
I think if Christine would have expanded her role on the song it could have been a bit more flushed out. She plays basic chords on it.

She certainly has the ability to play a chord and cover one of the layers with her right hand. I think they either were trumped by LB, or just lazy on her part.
__________________
I would tell Christine Perfect, "You're Christine f***ing McVie, and don't you forget it!"
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-03-2019, 06:48 PM
HomerMcvie's Avatar
HomerMcvie HomerMcvie is offline
Addicted Ledgie
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Posts: 15,738
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jbrownsjr View Post
She certainly has the ability to play a chord and cover one of the layers with her right hand. I think they either were trumped by LB, or just lazy on her part.
I suspect the latter. And that's all she plays now.
__________________
Christine McVie- she radiated both purity and sass in equal measure, bringing light to the music of the 70s. RIP. - John Taylor(Duran Duran)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Mick Fleetwood - Celebrate The Music Of Peter Green And The Early Years of Fleet picture

Mick Fleetwood - Celebrate The Music Of Peter Green And The Early Years of Fleet

$23.69



MICK FLEETWOOD & FRIENDS Sealed 2024 PETER GREEN TRIBUTE BLU RAY & 2 CD BOXSET picture

MICK FLEETWOOD & FRIENDS Sealed 2024 PETER GREEN TRIBUTE BLU RAY & 2 CD BOXSET

$36.99



Mick Fleetwood

Mick Fleetwood "My Twenty-Five Years in Fleetwood Mac" book w/ CD. VG+

$29.00



FLEETWOOD MAC - RUMOURS [35TH ANNIVERSARY DELUXE EDITION] [DIGIPAK] NEW CD picture

FLEETWOOD MAC - RUMOURS [35TH ANNIVERSARY DELUXE EDITION] [DIGIPAK] NEW CD

$24.97



MICK FLEETWOOD BAND “SOMETHING BIG” CD 2004 NEAR MINT CONDITION picture

MICK FLEETWOOD BAND “SOMETHING BIG” CD 2004 NEAR MINT CONDITION

$4.00




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:41 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
© 1995-2003 Martin and Lisa Adelson, All Rights Reserved