Lindsey discusses his firing (Rolling Stone)

[elle]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Indeed.

Stevie does have a tendency to get involved with men who can help her career/do something for her.....LB, Mick, Paul Fishkin, Jimmy, and many others.

Mick was still managing FM when she got involved with him

Curious, isn't it, how the power has shifted over the years-- first Mick had it, then S&L joined, and slowly LB took over the power-- controlling the band's sound and direction, producing, musical director etc.., and then Stevie took it from them both.

that's what Landslide is about.

re Mick, i think one of Mick's or maybe one of the band techs''s books talks about that. that it was assumed at the time if a couple splits one or the other would leave the band or be pushed out. and none of them wanted to leave. so getting involved with Mick was SN's insurance policy, to make sure LB cannot try to push her out.

[cbBen]

Originally Posted by button-lip

Her only reason was Buckingham McVie. The end.

What makes you think this was such a sore spot for Stevie. Did she ever intimate as much publicly (or otherwise)?

Thanks.

[elle]

Originally Posted by cbBen

What makes you think this was such a sore spot for Stevie. Did she ever intimate as much publicly (or otherwise)?

Thanks.

why would she? did she say publicly or otherwise that she pulled "him or me" on LB?

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by cbBen

What makes you think this was such a sore spot for Stevie. Did she ever intimate as much publicly (or otherwise)?

Thanks.

Because they DARED go on without her. You can't see that? With her ma$$ive ego?

I'll show him! I guess $he did. And RUINED FM.

B****.

[secondhandchain]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Because they DARED go on without her. You can't see that? With her ma$$ive ego?

I'll show him! I guess $he did. And RUINED FM.

B*****.

Yup on the b****

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by secondhandchain

Yup on the b****

I actually typed another word, then edited it. It's a hot button word for some people. Although it actually is appropriate in her ca$e.

[cbBen]

Am I getting this right?:

The going theory is that when Stevie declined to participate in what became Buckingham McVie, she expected them to throw their songs and recordings (and their financial investment) in the trash can? That's what she expected them to do?

Or is the theory that she is upset that they even started recording in the first place without clearing it with her?

I must say that the former theory, at least, makes no sense. As a songwriter, she wouldn't expect them to take their recordings and throw them in the trash can.

[cbBen]

Maybe, despite her absence, there was talk of releasing the album as a Fleetwood Mac album (as in, Mick or Irving Azoff ran the idea by her), and just the notion of such a thing threatened her and caused her to feel her position in the band was being put at risk.

That makes more sense to me.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by cbBen

Am I getting this right?:

The going theory is that when Stevie declined to participate in what became Buckingham McVie, she expected them to throw their songs and recordings (and their financial investment) in the trash can? That's what she expected them to do?

Or is the theory that she is upset that they even started recording in the first place without clearing it with her?

I must say that the former theory, at least, makes no sense. As a songwriter, she wouldn't expect them to take their recordings and throw them in the trash can.

Whether some of us like it or not, $he(unfortunately) I$ the $tar of FM. It's just the way it played out over the past 43 years. $HE has the clout.

I would guess that $he never dreamed they'd record an album without her. I mean, they WANTED her to contribute, but $he couldn't be bothered. So they finally decided to release it without her. And it did pretty well. Not selling out venues, but it was still a VERY GOOD album(and I'm thankful that I got it as the swan song from them).

As a SONGWRITER? $he writes(WROTE) a few lyrics on paper, and plonked out a couple chords(F and G) on a piano, and very amateurishly so. Song writer...Hippie chick!

So do you think that $he has no ego, and $he wasn't upset by them putting out an album, without her? I don't believe that for a minute.

[cbBen]

Yes I believe she has an ego, but I don't see where she'd be upset with them for releasing material they already had in the can (and that she was invited to participate in), unless there is more to the story (such as, for example, someone like Mick or Irving Azoff lobbying to release the album under the Fleetwood Mac name).

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by cbBen

Yes I believe she has an ego, but I don't see where she'd be upset with them for releasing material they already had in the can (and that she was invited to participate in), unless there is more to the story (such as, for example, someone like Mick or Irving Azoff lobbying to release the album under the Fleetwood Mac name).

Well, "$he's running the show now", according to her keyboard player. WHEN did that happen, HER being the bo$$? Oh yeah, when $he got Lindsey fired.

Conniving, manipulating goat.

[elle]

Originally Posted by cbBen

when Stevie declined to participate in what became Buckingham McVie, she expected them to throw their songs and recordings (and their financial investment) in the trash can? That's what she expected them to do?

yes. read her interviews from that time. it's not a theory, that's what she said. that they have a recorded album and they want to release it, but she doesn't get why they would. and that she's SURE they WILL NOT release it. it was almost like she was taunting them in those couple of interviews from that time sending them a message - just try it and see what happens!

they did release it. we know what happened.

again - google is your friend. read the interviews from the time. and also, again - why are you expecting Stevie Nicks to go by what YOU think is logical?

[sodascouts]

Originally Posted by cbBen

Yes I believe she has an ego, but I don't see where she'd be upset with them for releasing material they already had in the can (and that she was invited to participate in), unless there is more to the story (such as, for example, someone like Mick or Irving Azoff lobbying to release the album under the Fleetwood Mac name).

It doesn't make sense that she would get angry at them for releasing their work without her after she turned them down, unless she perhaps felt embarrassed by the obvious conclusion everyone drew (despite what was being said by Lindsey and Christine) that this would have been a Fleetwood Mac album if it had not been for Stevie's refusal to participate. Perhaps she felt they should have released it as separate solo albums to avoid that, and especially hated the name, which she would assume was a callback to Buckingham Nicks (and honestly it does seem to hearken back to that).

Still, I'm just speculating. Honestly, I personally don't think the BM album factored into the firing as much as some others here do, but I have absolutely zero to base that opinion upon.

But why listen to me? My feeling is that Stevie wouldn't fire Lindsey over that, but my feelings about Stevie over the past few months have often turned out to be very wrong.

[cbBen]

Originally Posted by elle

yes. read her interviews from that time. it's not a theory, that's what she said. that they have a recorded album and they want to release it, but she doesn't get why they would. and that she's SURE they WILL NOT release it. it was almost like she was taunting them in those couple of interviews from that time sending them a message - just try it and see what happens!

they did release it. we know what happened.

again - google is your friend. read the interviews from the time. and also, again - why are you expecting Stevie Nicks to go by what YOU think is logical?

That's what I was looking for. Could someone please just link me to these? I did search for commentary from her to this effect, but couldn't find it.

[TheWildHeart67]

I remember the interview. And her saying she doesn't understand why they're doing it. But I don't remember her saying she doesn't think they will ever release it.
She knew they were going to release the Buckvie album. She was later quoted that she liked the album, after it's release.