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Old 01-30-2015, 08:07 AM
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And the answer is:

Aileen!

Born Aileen Katie Mary HUGGETT, 1904, Eastbourn, Sussex

1st marriage: Alfred F Cager, Brighton, 1935

2nd marriage: Charles E Smith, Willesden, 1947

3rd marriage: Harry Scarrott, Surrey S W, 1966

Died: 1984, Cannock Chase, Staffordshire.

So, the 3rd marriage for both Harry and Aileen.

Evidence can be provided on request.
Great! Thanks. Now I can amend the discog to give her a first name!

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Old 01-30-2015, 01:21 PM
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And the answer is:

Aileen!

Born Aileen Katie Mary HUGGETT, 1904, Eastbourn, Sussex

1st marriage: Alfred F Cager, Brighton, 1935

2nd marriage: Charles E Smith, Willesden, 1947

3rd marriage: Harry Scarrott, Surrey S W, 1966

Died: 1984, Cannock Chase, Staffordshire.

So, the 3rd marriage for both Harry and Aileen.

Evidence can be provided on request.
Hey, great work!!!
Is there enough evidence to merit an amendment to the main Bare trees wikipedia page? would an extra line or so about Aileen Scarrott be of worth?
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Old 01-30-2015, 02:55 PM
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What's immediately available is a copy of the official GRO Index of Marriages for 1966. Unfortunately, Wiki will want a link and the marriage isn't publicly indexed on Free BDM yet. The link on Ancestry requires a subscription.

The next step would be to purchase the actual marriage certificate. That'd be £9.25. I'd be happy to chip in a pound or two but not put up the whole pot myself. It depends on exactly how "official" the group want to get.

Perhaps some confirmation will still turn up from the Headley Village Pump.

It appears Aileen had a daughter from her 1st marriage. The daughter had 2 sons born in 1964 and 1967, both in Leicester. I wonder if they know their Gran was a rock star?

I also found the answer to the mystery of a son for Harry also named Harry - Harry's birth and that of his brother were just registered very, very late for some reason.

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I'll have to take a trip to see Benifold and the house where the band recorded Kiln House. I did find the latter on Google maps, but it seems that it's on a private road. Benifold really interests me. I think it's cool that the band lived there communally. I remember Bob Welch talking about the electric going off in the winter due to the strikes. I can imagine the band sitting around trying to keep warm with lots of candles lit and snow outside. There is some cool footage on YouTube showing the band in the house and on the grounds. It's a shame they sold it.
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Old 03-15-2015, 09:36 AM
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As the starter of this thread, shame on me for not checking back more recently. But top marks to Neb for finding out Mrs S's details. I wonder if she wrote any other poetry.

I think the conversation at the end is with Mick and he is being asked what he thinks of the poem.
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Old 03-15-2015, 04:42 PM
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The owner of the Scarrott family tree that confirmed the final details for me believes the male voice is Aileen's husband Harry Scarrott.

She was not previously aware of the recording but had named her daughter Rhiannon after the song. Once she heard it the voice reminded her of when she had met Harry as a child.

She was going to see if her father had a photo of Harry and Aileen. The photo she had on Ancestry was of Harry's previous wedding.
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Old 03-16-2015, 06:34 AM
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Yes, I don't know Harry's voice but it's certainly not Mick at the end of the recording. The voice is of an old man and even the way Mick sounds now doesn't sound like that and this was 1972 and it doesn't sound like Mick or his accent anyway.

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I still think that the person speaking sounds older than 67/68 years old.

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Can somebody assist-

I've been reading 'Play On' again.
There's a picture in the book at Benifolds showing the band and friends in winter 1970.
I can't quite work out who everyone is. Is the man to the right Peter? I wouldn't have thought it would have been Peter but it does resemble him.

any thoughts?
thanks

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Old 04-09-2015, 05:52 PM
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Any chance you could scan and post the photo?
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Old 04-13-2015, 12:02 PM
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Sorry for the delay.
I've scanned the picture and I think I've attached it properly.
I can't work out who the couple are on the right.
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The male voice at the end of "Thoughts on a Grey Day" is in a local accent, Hampshire or thereabouts. That accent is much rarer these days but in the early 70s it would have been pretty common among older folk. It's definitely not Mick, who has a straight English accent. I'm pretty sure it was Mick's idea to put TOAGD on the album.

The photo: Mick's dog (forget the name), Jenny Fleetwood, John McVie, Judy Wong, Mick, Jeremy, Fiona Spencer, Christine... not sure, possibly a roadie (not Peter Green). Not sure on the other girl or the child. Likely to be late 1970.

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Old 06-21-2015, 05:54 PM
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The male voice at the end of "Thoughts on a Grey Day" is in a local accent, Hampshire or thereabouts. That accent is much rarer these days but in the early 70s it would have been pretty common among older folk.
Sounds just right for Harry Scarrott then, as he was born in Portsmouth in 1882 and lived in Laurel Cottage, Headley from at least 1932 when his daughter from his first marriage was married.
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Old 06-22-2015, 01:37 AM
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The photo: Mick's dog (forget the name), Jenny Fleetwood, John McVie, Judy Wong, Mick, Jeremy, Fiona Spencer, Christine... not sure, possibly a roadie (not Peter Green). Not sure on the other girl or the child. Likely to be late 1970.
Thanks for taking a look.
In retrospect I've been thinking that maybe this is a very misleading picture of Danny.
It looks like somebody with bushy dark hair, beard and sideburns but that might just be an illusion created by the brim of the womans hat and lots of shadow.
This person has Danny's awkward stance and he was often pictured with his hands on his hips/in his pockets. I wonder if he was ever pictured wearing a red hat?
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Old 06-22-2015, 03:31 AM
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Really nice thread, just been reading the older posts. I used to work down around this area but sadly wasn't aware back then of the musical heritage. I'd like to make a trip back down there at some point.

Might be worth me posting this pic, I assume taken outside the front gate of Benifold back in '71.

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