MOJO May 2019 - FM issue

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by elle

i don't know these people, even if what you are claiming were true. other than Lindsey, i never really talked to any of them. very different from people who went together through thick and thin for 50 years, don't ya think?

Lindsey didn't change from 2017 to 2018. and certainly not from Nov 2017 to Jan 2018. that's a month, not a year. he didn't change for years, probably decades. he's been way mellower and nicer than in their heyday, so how him changing for the better is suddenly a problem?

yes being around toxic relationship is draining. Christine knew what she was coming back to. they all knew and lived with it for decades. Christine mentioned back in 2017 interviews how they all get along great, except Lindsey and Stevie. she also mentioned how much nicer to work with Lindsey is now as opposed to back in the heyday when he was asocial and razor focused on work. so what did change? Stevie gained more power. she became very commercially successful again. that's what changed. she felt she had enough power to pull the ouster.

They had spent more than 50 years side by side, hating and loving each other, and now they feel the need not only to get rid of Lindsey but to trash him at every opportunity they have? Who are these people indeed.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by Storms123

Innocent people don't pay. The band settled. Why?

There can be any number of reasons to settle. Btw, Lindsey settled too.

[elle]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Well FWIW, when I said band members I was including Lindsey. An inability to come to an agreement over a touring schedule doesn't really make anyone sound that awful. But if Christine, who is often seen as a voice of reason, elaborates on what made it "a really bad time" and puts at least part of the fault on Lindsey, he may look worse than he does now. And that will just give the different factions of FM fans more to fight about.

well firing essential band member over that does sound pretty awful. also whatever the reasoning was, it was apparently unjust considering it was worth settling lawsuit over, in a rush.

[elle]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

There can be any number of reasons to settle. Btw, Lindsey settled too.

haha sure - like being in the wrong. yes, he accepted their settlement offer.

many of us wished it went to court. and reading your remarks just now, i again wish it did.

[TheWildHeart67]

and in some cases those fans have been friends for years, but now those friendships are broken. just look around here, all the riffs between people and endless name calling. people want to know what happened, the good and the bad and the ugly.

Friendships between fans are now broken because of disagreements regarding Fleetwood Mac?
That is really really twisted.
That is not a reason to end a friendship..Over a band.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by elle

Lindsey didn't change from 2017 to 2018. and certainly not from Nov 2017 to Jan 2018. that's a month, not a year.

I’m beginning to wonder about your reading comprehension. You said that the “recording of BuckVie video seems to mightily contradict that unhappiness claim,” and I said that “YOU went from being relatively happy with Mick in November, 2017 to detesting him by February, 2018. A lot can happen in a year. Things change, perspectives change, sometimes very quickly.”

I was clearly referring to the year or so between the end of the LBCM sessions and Lindsey’s firing, and was using the two or so months between the end of the LBCM tour and Lindsey’s firing as an example of how quickly attitudes can change. And I never said Lindsey changed, just that things/perspectives can change.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by elle

. “It was a really bad time,” admits Christine McVie.[/B]

https://www.mojo4music.com/articles/...YBMM7rw-vAA_4I

Does she mean it was a bad time between Stevie and Lindsey??? Maybe it wasn't the whole band having probs with LB but the tension, bickering, bs between those two, which would of course impact everyone else.... I don't want to be reaching too hard but I also think that the band will be under strict orders from The Queen to not make honest statements that SHE was the only one with probs with LB. So it's not dishonest for them to say they were unhappy but they just are fudging language to not say that the reason THEY were unhappy was because SN was unhappy with LB. Can't rock her boat or mess with her narrative.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

People have been demanding more information for a long time, but I question whether it's really going to make anyone feel any better. If the new details are ugly, the situation could easily go from bad to worse--for the band members, the people close to them, and their fans. It would be sadly ironic to end up wishing the initial lie had just been accepted in the first place.

I am not scared of the truth. Not that those people know how to give it. I do not buy the idea that they were protecting dirty laundry for the world’s sake.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Well FWIW, when I said band members I was including Lindsey. An inability to come to an agreement over a touring schedule doesn't really make anyone sound that awful. But if Christine, who is often seen as a voice of reason, elaborates on what made it "a really bad time" and puts at least part of the fault on Lindsey, he may look worse than he does now. And that will just give the different factions of FM fans more to fight about.

Lindsey has been made to look bad for 40 years now. I think his fans can take it.

I don’t see myself crying into my pillow, brokenly gasping, “I wish I didn’t know now what I didn’t know then!”

Plus, if Lindsey has some big secret to hide, I think he would have just gone home and shut up for fear of what the others might reveal. Instead he was running around being more visible, forthright and open.

[iamnotafraid]

If they were opting to go to a concerted effort
to trash Lindsey with additional details, you'd
think if they had any class they'd stop this
nonsense after his health issue. But no.

Whether what they have to say is true or not,
it shows what type people these 4 are.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

If they were opting to go to a concerted effort
to trash Lindsey with additional details, you'd
think if they had any class they'd stop this
nonsense after his health issue. But no.

Whether what they have to say is true or not,
it shows what type people these 4 are.

They are scum, without a shred of decency between all four of them. I hope their little black hearts shrivel away, sooner than later, for treating him like this.

[button-lip]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

If they were opting to go to a concerted effort
to trash Lindsey with additional details, you'd
think if they had any class they'd stop this
nonsense after his health issue. But no.

Whether what they have to say is true or not,
it shows what type people these 4 are.

They already won. They got rid of Lindsey so that the Queen could be happy.

You’d think they would move on and enjoy their dreamy tour without annoying Lindsey. But no, they have to go further and trash him at every opportunity they have. Trash him and minimize his legacy and his contributions to the band.

And to think some people still think they’re the greatest band in the world. That says a lot about yourself. No wonder friendships were broken.

[jeets2000]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Does she mean it was a bad time between Stevie and Lindsey??? Maybe it wasn't the whole band having probs with LB but the tension, bickering, bs between those two, which would of course impact everyone else.... I don't want to be reaching too hard but I also think that the band will be under strict orders from The Queen to not make honest statements that SHE was the only one with probs with LB. So it's not dishonest for them to say they were unhappy but they just are fudging language to not say that the reason THEY were unhappy was because SN was unhappy with LB. Can't rock her boat or mess with her narrative.

It's my suspicion that this is exactly how it will read when the full story comes out. It was a bad time for Stevie and Lindsey, "people" were deeply unhappy (gotta keep it vague!), and the band made this "very difficult" decision. But, we shall see!

[michelej1]

Like her Forgiveness says, Christine was:

Trapped In the middle of a lousy love affair

[jeets2000]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I’m beginning to wonder about your reading comprehension. You said that the “recording of BuckVie video seems to mightily contradict that unhappiness claim,” and I said that “YOU went from being relatively happy with Mick in November, 2017 to detesting him by February, 2018. A lot can happen in a year. Things change, perspectives change, sometimes very quickly.”

I was clearly referring to the year or so between the end of the LBCM sessions and Lindsey’s firing, and was using the two or so months between the end of the LBCM tour and Lindsey’s firing as an example of how quickly attitudes can change. And I never said Lindsey changed, just that things/perspectives can change.

Maybe before you start throwing stones at other members here, you take stock of the fact that you are the one comparing the complicated relationships among people who have known and worked with each other for decades, and a fan's opinion of a drummer she does not know personally? It's an absurd comparison and an even weaker argument. Worse still, it's just lazy.