Stevie nominated for Rock Hall of Fame

[David]

Originally Posted by BlanketMan

I'm not saying Stevie isn't deserving, but the timing is certainly coincidental!

The hall of fame is about marketing more than anything. It's a publicity tool. It wasn't coincidental that Fleetwood Mac was inducted in 1998—the big year of their reunion and No. 1 album on Billboard. The nominations provoke heated arguments about who's worthy, and thus generate free publicity. The voters and the nominating committee used to be slammed for being too old and out of touch, and the fans of Questlove and Tom Morello and Oasis went on the rampage. So the nominees the past few years are more ecumenical. But being inducted is still as much as ever a function of marketing—which is intended to make a stir over an artist in public. With her magazine covers and TV appearances and never-ending touring and cultish fans, Stevie should be inducted sooner or later.

[dreamsunwind]

Originally Posted by David

The hall of fame is about marketing more than anything. It's a publicity tool. It wasn't coincidental that Fleetwood Mac was inducted in 1998—the big year of their reunion and No. 1 album on Billboard. The nominations provoke heated arguments about who's worthy, and thus generate free publicity. The voters and the nominating committee used to be slammed for being too old and out of touch, and the fans of Questlove and Tom Morello and Oasis went on the rampage. So the nominees the past few years are more ecumenical. But being inducted is still as much as ever a function of marketing—which is intended to make a stir over an artist in public. With her magazine covers and TV appearances and never-ending touring and cultish fans, Stevie should be inducted sooner or later.

I always thought it was the craziest coincidence that FM happened get inducted the same year they had their epic reunion so your post makes a lot of sense.

I've never been shy about the fact that I honestly don't think solo Stevie really deserves to be inducted, and I've ALWAYS felt that way. Even when I was most obsessed with her and would argue with anyone who criticized her, I just don't think her solo music is really worthy of an induction. I think the reason people think she deserves a solo spot is just because of her whole image-- her entity as 'Stevie Nicks' the witchy pop rock girl.

[ricohv]

Originally Posted by dreamsunwind

I think the reason people think she deserves a solo spot is just because of her whole image-- her entity as 'Stevie Nicks' the witchy pop rock girl.

That is a big part of rock n' roll, and a big part of Stevie's place in rock n' roll. She created a brand that is still selling and getting media exposure (e.g. AHS) today! Not saying that alone warrants entry to the RRHOF, but it doesn't hurt.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by ricohv

That is a big part of rock n' roll, and a big part of Stevie's place in rock n' roll. She created a brand that is still selling and getting media exposure (e.g. AHS) today! Not saying that alone warrants entry to the RRHOF, but it doesn't hurt.

Exactly. And she was singled out for that one-of-a-kind persona even before her solo career officially started. She's made a mark by being unique, and she's a huge influence to many, and not all of that was done within the confines of Fleetwood Mac.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Exactly. And she was singled out for that one-of-a-kind persona even before her solo career officially started. She's made a mark by being unique, and she's a huge influence to many, and not all of that was done within the confines of Fleetwood Mac.

Yeah and she's still a sh!tty person behind it all.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dreamsunwind

I think the reason people think she deserves a solo spot is just because of her whole image-- her entity as 'Stevie Nicks' the witchy pop rock girl.

She's had such an impact that you can walk into any store today and buy clothes, shoes and jewelry that emulate her look. 35 years ago that wasn't even remotely possible. It's the true mark of an individual and why she should be the first woman from both a band and as a solo artist inducted.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

She's had such an impact that you can walk into any store today and buy clothes, shoes and jewelry that emulate her look. 35 years ago that wasn't even remotely possible. It's the true mark of an individual and why she should be the first woman from both a band and as a solo artist inducted.

impact on clothing and shoes and jewelry is the criterion for getting in the Rock Hall of Fame now?

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

impact on clothing and shoes and jewelry is the criterion for getting in the Rock Hall of Fame now?

Absolutely ..they need to posthumously induct Gianni Versace ,Coco Chanel and Joan Crawford

[dreamsunwind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

She's had such an impact that you can walk into any store today and buy clothes, shoes and jewelry that emulate her look. 35 years ago that wasn't even remotely possible. It's the true mark of an individual and why she should be the first woman from both a band and as a solo artist inducted.

I'm well aware of that lol. That's my entire point. I think it should be that the music is what determines someone's entry into the RRHOF. Not how many fans they have or how many times they've been on American Horror Story or how many girls try to dress like them. Artists should be inducted based on how the quality of their music and its place in music history. I think Stevie as a member of Fleetwood Mac produced some of the best music of the 70s and early 80s and she along with all the other members deserved the induction. The songs on those first few albums were magic and that shows in how much they're still listened to today. I don't feel the same way about her solo career's music and I think that also in shows in how the large majority of it does not remotely compare to the enduring popularity of her FM work.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dreamsunwind

I'm well aware of that lol. That's my entire point. I think it should be that the music is what determines someone's entry into the RRHOF. Not how many fans they have or how many times they've been on American Horror Story or how many girls try to dress like them. Artists should be inducted based on how the quality of their music and its place in music history. I think Stevie as a member of Fleetwood Mac produced some of the best music of the 70s and early 80s and she along with all the other members deserved the induction. The songs on those first few albums were magic and that shows in how much they're still listened to today. I don't feel the same way about her solo career's music and I think that also in shows in how the large majority of it does not remotely compare to the enduring popularity of her FM work.

Who determines quality? What makes art "good"? Or for that matter what constitutes art?

[dreamsunwind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Who determines quality? What makes art "good"? Or for that matter what constitutes art?

I think someone's own ears determine quality lol. Obviously tastes can differ but in my opinion, Stevie's solo career consisted of one fabulous album, one good album and a wholeeeeeeeeee lot of garbage following that. She basically peaked with her beginning when it comes to her solo music. And even then, the best of it still pales in comparison to what she did in her first few years with FM. And I think that I'm not the only one that feels that way because these days, the people who didn't grow up listening to Stevie know her Fleetwood Mac music by far the best because it's just endured better.

[BombaySapphire3]

After Bella Donna and maybe The Wild Heart her solo career becomes extremely patchy. If you compare it to the career of fellow nominee Roxy Music for example who were enormously influential and innovative and for a decade put out one stellar album after another culminating in their final studio release Avalon which is like Rumours a perfect album. There really is no comparison.