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Old 12-07-2020, 02:59 PM
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I would add Bella Donna to those 3 ..after this things started to go a bit south for all concerned.
A personal aside.

I'm one of those few who prefer THE WILD HEART to BELLA DONNA. But I think it may have to do with how I came to know those albums. I began my FM/Stevie Nicks kick in 1982, with the advent of "Hold Me" and "Gypsy." (I knew and was impressed with the band before this but wasn't old enough to become obsessed until '82.) After that, SN released THE WILD HEART. I was in awe of "Stand Back," "Nightbird," and "Sable on Blonde"--and much of the rest of the record impressed me. I didn't hear BELLA DONNA until later, and by the time I had, Christine and her music began to take over. Funny how timing is everything. I mean, I recognize that what's great on BELLA DONNA is probably better than anything on THE WILD HEART, but it never moved me in the same way, so my relationship to those songs is different. Save "How Still My Love," none of it calls to me or follows me down 'til the sound of it haunts me. Or something like it.
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Old 12-07-2020, 03:07 PM
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Still canít get into OOY.

Now, if only Richard Thompson would do a version of that song....
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Old 12-07-2020, 03:34 PM
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Now, if only Richard Thompson would do a version of that song....
Still wouldnít like it.
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Old 12-07-2020, 03:45 PM
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Still wouldnít like it.
Fair enough.

Always quite liked this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FhEcIv29ps
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I used to hate Only Over You and Mystified. I love them now.

Storms still blows goats, though.

No, not that one.
If I cant get you to appreciate and love Oh Daddy then it would be impossible for Storms. Oh Daddy is a musical track masterpiece. Storms is a lyrical poem. Each are different. In fact Storms is a perfect example track of Tusk as an album. Its not catchy pop songs. The song starts out sounding like a demo as if the guitar is already playing and someone just hits the record button. Over produced as some say or under produced as some say? The guitar is very solemn as to not take away from the solemn singing. The first 10 years I heard the song I never had any interest in it and thought of it as a wasted track. Stevie's Behind the Music segment from 1999 featured the song and it made me finally go back and appreciate it. Its clearly about Mick, a secret and deep love that she finally sets free. Its very deep and very personal. The emotion comes from the lyrics. I have always loved one of the final lines "I have never ever been a blue calm sea, I have always been a storm." That my friend is poetry at its best. Yes the song is boring to the casual listener. The Mac actually took it out of their live set because the audience was obviously not into it. It comes from a very emotional place. As I said, its very solemn and its all lyrics and mood. If you are looking for a catchy chorus, this is not it. But that's pretty much every song on Tusk. IMHO its made to sound like a demo to keep its passion. What she has to say should be sung like this.
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Old 12-07-2020, 06:23 PM
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If I cant get you to appreciate and love Oh Daddy then it would be impossible for Storms. Oh Daddy is a musical track masterpiece. Storms is a lyrical poem. Each are different. In fact Storms is a perfect example track of Tusk as an album. Its not catchy pop songs. The song starts out sounding like a demo as if the guitar is already playing and someone just hits the record button. Over produced as some say or under produced as some say? The guitar is very solemn as to not take away from the solemn singing. The first 10 years I heard the song I never had any interest in it and thought of it as a wasted track. Stevie's Behind the Music segment from 1999 featured the song and it made me finally go back and appreciate it. Its clearly about Mick, a secret and deep love that she finally sets free. Its very deep and very personal. The emotion comes from the lyrics. I have always loved one of the final lines "I have never ever been a blue calm sea, I have always been a storm." That my friend is poetry at its best. Yes the song is boring to the casual listener. The Mac actually took it out of their live set because the audience was obviously not into it. It comes from a very emotional place. As I said, its very solemn and its all lyrics and mood. If you are looking for a catchy chorus, this is not it. But that's pretty much every song on Tusk. IMHO its made to sound like a demo to keep its passion. What she has to say should be sung like this.
Yep. Where some hearing boring, I hear weariness. I've always gotten a last call, 3 AM feeling from it, the same as you'd get from staying up all night journaling or talking things out with the other person, only to reach an impasse. It could very well have been written that way, knowing Stevie. I get the same feeling from Save Me a Place.

This is why I felt it shouldn't have been dragged out for the Unleashed tour. It needs to be sung with a certain fragility that her voice just didn't have anymore.
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Old 12-07-2020, 06:37 PM
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That's cool. Its fun to appreciate older songs you pass by and not like. Years later you learn to appreciate them. When I bought the album Tusk, I hated Storms. My album had scratches on the song which took away the intimacy of the song. Years later I discovered the passion of the song and paid attention to the lyrics and its a great song. One of the best of Tusk.
Only Over You is another song. I hated the song when I first got Mirage. Today, OMG, its one of the best songs on Mirage.
The best songs always take a little time to get to you.

Now if I could get everyone to appreciate Two Kinds of Love, I can sleep better tonight

(I know, I know, quit while I'm ahead)
Well, I have been listening to TOSOTM lately...

I'm with you on Only Over You. Another one that I was really into for a while was Straight Back. It was a song I had ignored for the longest time and then when I heard it, it was like, why did I ever skip this? I consider it one of the best on that album.
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Old 12-07-2020, 09:55 PM
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A personal aside.

I'm one of those few who prefer THE WILD HEART to BELLA DONNA. But I think it may have to do with how I came to know those albums. I began my FM/Stevie Nicks kick in 1982, with the advent of "Hold Me" and "Gypsy." (I knew and was impressed with the band before this but wasn't old enough to become obsessed until '82.) After that, SN released THE WILD HEART. I was in awe of "Stand Back," "Nightbird," and "Sable on Blonde"--and much of the rest of the record impressed me. I didn't hear BELLA DONNA until later, and by the time I had, Christine and her music began to take over. Funny how timing is everything. I mean, I recognize that what's great on BELLA DONNA is probably better than anything on THE WILD HEART, but it never moved me in the same way, so my relationship to those songs is different. Save "How Still My Love," none of it calls to me or follows me down 'til the sound of it haunts me. Or something like it.
The songs that you mentioned on The Wild Heart are great. I'd also add If Anyone Falls one of her very best solo singles .I can also understand having a connection with the album that got you into the music first. Bella Donna IMO does not have any weak songs or duds on it. It remains a pristine album and the last great California rock album of the classic era. The Wild Heart has 2 or 3 as do all of her subsequent solo albums (some of them many more) .I guess 10 years of not putting out one bad song is a pretty good track record.
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Old 12-07-2020, 10:31 PM
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I guess 10 years of not putting out one bad song is a pretty good track record.
Itís like once she realized she really didnít need Fleetwood Mac anymore, that she didnít have anything to prove, she kind of quit trying or was simply washed up. Thatís when all of the yes people became a factor.
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Old 12-07-2020, 10:42 PM
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In fact Storms is a perfect example track of Tusk as an album. Its not catchy pop songs.

Stevie's Behind the Music segment from 1999 featured the song and it made me finally go back and appreciate it. Its clearly about Mick, a secret and deep love that she finally sets free. Its very deep and very personal. The emotion comes from the lyrics. I have always loved one of the final lines "I have never ever been a blue calm sea, I have always been a storm." That my friend is poetry at its best.

Yes the song is boring to the casual listener.
I would say that The Ledge is the perfect example of Tusk as an album.

All of that.... REQUIRES someone wanting to buy into fandom of $tevie Nicks. For those who might dismiss her as somewhat of a dolt, and being the WORST thing that ever happened to FM, that's a tough pill to swallow.

While I'm not a casual listener, I will agree that the song is boring. "Boring" is actually being kind.
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Old 12-08-2020, 12:02 AM
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Storms is a thing of haunting beauty, it is emotionally compelling. Not a lively tune to snap your fingers to. Which is what some great critics seem to use as the measure of a piece of music. My Little Demon or Come, it ain't.
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Old 12-08-2020, 12:03 AM
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Itís like once she realized she really didnít need Fleetwood Mac anymore, that she didnít have anything to prove, she kind of quit trying or was simply washed up. Thatís when all of the yes people became a factor.
the 'yes' people, and also the ego that led her to believe that any lyrics or music she burped out were instantly classics.
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Old 12-08-2020, 12:05 AM
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Storms is a thing of haunting beauty, it is emotionally compelling. Not a lively tune to snap your fingers to. Which is what some great critics seem to use as the measure of a piece of music. My Little Demon or Come, it ain't.
I love Storms, and I especially love the band's arrangement of it versus her original version. There's a sh*t ton of stuff going on if you listen closely-- Christine's multiple keyboard lines all throughout are what really fill it out. And though a bit lengthy the lyrics are among her best.
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Storms is a thing of haunting beauty, it is emotionally compelling. Not a lively tune to snap your fingers to. Which is what some great critics seem to use as the measure of a piece of music. My Little Demon or Come, it ain't.
Get back to your Lindsey dart board!

Like Sweet Girl is some f*cking gem.
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Like Sweet Girl is some f*cking gem.
My Little Demon was better than Temporary One or Silver Girl. I was overjoyed that Clinton resurrected them from the dead, but if that was the best the three could do . . . It was like Stephen Kingís Pet Sementary where your beloved dead dog comes back to life, but somehow he really is not the same Fido.
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