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Old 12-05-2020, 10:29 PM
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I do! FRONTLINE babeeeeyyy

And the second one.........
Well it's a worthless thing...
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Old 12-05-2020, 10:37 PM
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Little Lies is also the catchiest song off of the album with what one critic called one of the biggest hooks of the eighties..Do you really think that Welcome to the Room Sara would have soared into the pop top 5 on both sides of the Atlantic
Wrong question. I don’t know if “Little Lies” would have been a Top 5 hit without the drama immediately preceding its release. Top 10, maybe and definitely Top 20, but tied for third biggest of their career??

I don’t think WTTR...S could have ever been a hit. However, I think “Isn’t It Midnight” might have been a massive hit had it been released at that moment.
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Old 12-05-2020, 10:40 PM
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That ineffable “something” and “It” factor and charisma. She seemed incandescent.

Among the celebrities I’ve met and talked with:

Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, Steven Spielberg, George Clooney, Bradley Cooper, Colin Firth, Michael B Jordan, Peter Bogdanovich, Lynn Redgrave (yes, I imagine Vanessa would have given Stevie a run for her money), Warren Beatty and Annette Bening (waited my whole life to meet them!!), Kerry Washington, Meryl Streep, James Toback, Lesley Manville, Whit Stillman, Rachel Weisz (so... I have to say about her we talked for a really long time — she is 2x more beautiful in person and the nicest celebrity I ever met who wasn’t already a friend of a friend), Jessica Chastain, Liev Schreiber, Green Gartside (so cool!!!!), Iris DeMent, David Gedge (when he was sexy sexy!), stupid Michelle Williams, Christine Lahti, and I’m forgetting a bunch more and it’s late.

And a few gay porn stars ��
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Old 12-05-2020, 11:20 PM
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Thing is, Christine’s songs didn’t sound radically different from her 1971-74 songs, harmonies and all, and she went on to have the majority of Top 40 singles.

I think just having a complete mainstream pop package would have helped them become more successful. As much as I love the Bob Welch era, there was a ceiling to their potential success. He had two or three bubblegum songs, but the rest were pretty heavy subject matter for the Hit Parade. Plus, he was kind of weird looking and had a weakish voice. They made great records, but they were never going to be blockbuster hits. Think about it, Bob Welch’s Carlos Castaneda inspired mystic jazz rock and classic Christine McVie songs produced by Deep Purple’s producer. If that doesn’t scream identity crisis, I don’t know what does. It wasn’t until they moved to LA and started playing up having a woman in the band (Jefferson Starship tour) that they had a Top 40 album.

I don’t know how well Fleetwood Mac would have done without the drama. Fleetwood Mac was selling only moderately better than its predecessors until it came out that the McVies split and that Stevie and Lindsey had mostly split. Then it became a huge hit. Obviously, Rumours. Fast forward to TITN, and its sales started skyrocketing after Lindsey quit.
Yeah, but he had those great berets.

I like Mystery to Me, but I can't imagine another three or four albums like it. They would have to be Christine-heavy, and even then, you're looking at a lot of lukewarm radio-friendly fare between the two of them.

I mean zero offense to Chris either. I love her, but even she has admitted to being a formulaic songwriter, and did not really expand her repertoire beyond the basic 1-2-3 love/lost love song. Bob, like Danny Kirwan, was not the most lighthearted guy, at least not lyrically. Bare Trees and MtM are good albums but are not ones that I would listen to in their entirety. Not without feeling a little broody afterward.
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I mean zero offense to Chris either. I love her, but even she has admitted to being a formulaic songwriter, and did not really expand her repertoire beyond the basic 1-2-3 love/lost love song.
She didn’t, but that’s why the Rumours lineup worked. Lindsey and Stevie were also mainstream pop writers, but in completely different ways from Christine and each other, which made for a compelling package that none were ever able to duplicate outside of the band. The Fleetwood Mac album was an unintentional masterpiece that even Mick, at the time, didn’t think worked as a cohesive project, but it’s maybe the most cohesive album they made.
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is that a good or a bad thing? how does that manifest?
you'd have to ask Sheryl. She did mention something about it being a certain "energy" a person gives off. I think that means walking into a room like you own it, demanding that your hotel suite be repainted pink with a white grand piano added in.... until finally you just demand the presidential suite. Oh and bringing your entourage with you when invited to a private listening of a younger artist's new album, then forcing him to stay up all night while you and said entourage listen to said album over and over again, offering unrequested suggestions about how each song could be better, failing to notice young singer doesn't stay up until 7 am like you do because, well, you're a legend used to the world conforming to your schedule.
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Old 12-06-2020, 01:13 AM
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She didnÂ’t, but thatÂ’s why the Rumours lineup worked. Lindsey and Stevie were also mainstream pop writers, but in completely different ways from Christine and each other, which made for a compelling package that none were ever able to duplicate outside of the band. The Fleetwood Mac album was an unintentional masterpiece that even Mick, at the time, didnÂ’t think worked as a cohesive project, but itÂ’s maybe the most cohesive album they made.
The White album is a thing of beauty. (Even with Sugar Daddy being on there!) Everyone knows the singles, but if you listen to the whole thing from start to finish, it's an undeniably strong album. It has a completely different vibe from Rumours. Warm Ways is one of its weak spots, but it's so short and mellow that it doesn't drag everything around it down, and it has the benefit of being sandwiched between Monday Morning and Blue Letter.

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The White album is a thing of beauty. (Even with Sugar Daddy being on there!)
Sugar Daddy is the BEST song on the album!
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Old 12-06-2020, 05:11 AM
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Sugar Daddy is the BEST song on the album!
Sugar Daddy definitely is a highlight of the album. It has the bluesy pre-Buck/Nicks sound yet also has the ace production of Lindsey Buckingham along with his playing. And also a tiny fantastic harmony at the very end. Warm Ways is also a dreamy treasure.

Now if we could ever get you to see the same mastery of Oh Daddy
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Old 12-06-2020, 10:47 AM
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Sugar Daddy definitely is a highlight of the album. It has the bluesy pre-Buck/Nicks sound yet also has the ace production of Lindsey Buckingham along with his playing. And also a tiny fantastic harmony at the very end. Warm Ways is also a dreamy treasure.

Now if we could ever get you to see the same mastery of Oh Daddy
I'll never understand the hate that Sugar Daddy gets... it's the Think About Me of the White album!

Now don't get me started , but Warm Ways is right there with Oh Daddy. Snoozeville! Too sleepy for me. I need me some damned BEAT. The exact same reason I hate Storms and Beautiful Child. Zzzzzzz....
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Old 12-06-2020, 11:29 AM
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To be fair, it's been actual years since I've listened to it. I liked it (those car horns!), then I didn't like it... If everything goes in cycles, I'm due to like it again.

WW is dreamy, just too low-key. It's got a beautiful, lush sound, it's just not a song I'd go back to or catch myself singing around the house. I can't get over the "make me a woman tonight" line.
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Old 12-06-2020, 11:39 AM
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I'll never understand the hate that Sugar Daddy gets... it's the Think About Me of the White album!

Now don't get me started , but Warm Ways is right there with Oh Daddy. Snoozeville! Too sleepy for me. I need me some damned BEAT. The exact same reason I hate Storms and Beautiful Child. Zzzzzzz....
I love this early version of Sugar Daddy. It should have been the album cut. Her vocal is better and more raw. The organ is just blowing up. No Stevie on this one so you should like it better
Now just imagine this song being track #2 during the Buck/Vie tour or instead of You Make Loving Fun, this was the second song during On With The Show. I would have fallen out of my chair.

If you listen closely. You can hear a little keyboard churning Say You Love Me in the beginning. Chris was loaded for bear for this album and all Fleetwood Mac albums I would say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bhDUvcY2O8
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I love this early version of Sugar Daddy. It should have been the album cut. Her vocal is better and more raw. The organ is just blowing up. No Stevie on this one so you should like it better
Now just imagine this song being track #2 during the Buck/Vie tour or instead of You Make Loving Fun, this was the second song during On With The Show. I would have fallen out of my chair.

If you listen closely. You can hear a little keyboard churning Say You Love Me in the beginning. Chris was loaded for bear for this album and all Fleetwood Mac albums I would say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bhDUvcY2O8
I LOVE IT! I'm going to have to remember to rip the audio, when I get back to my other house next weekend. THANKS for sharing!
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I love this early version of Sugar Daddy. It should have been the album cut. Her vocal is better and more raw. The organ is just blowing up. No Stevie on this one so you should like it better
Now just imagine this song being track #2 during the Buck/Vie tour or instead of You Make Loving Fun, this was the second song during On With The Show. I would have fallen out of my chair.

If you listen closely. You can hear a little keyboard churning Say You Love Me in the beginning. Chris was loaded for bear for this album and all Fleetwood Mac albums I would say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bhDUvcY2O8
Oh wow, I heard the difference right away! It does bring SYLM to mind. I like the way this one closes and how prominent her vocals are throughout. Seems like they got a little compressed in the final mix, in comparison. Mixed down? I don't know the technical term for it.
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Thank goodness Stevie saved Chris's organ from these early years. Stevie refused to let Chris abandon it, sell it or give it away when Chris quit the business. Stevie knew what a piece of history it was and dug it out over 17 years later to give back to Christine.

I can only imagine how hot the organ was after a performance like this. I love Lindsey's guitar solo on the song but I much prefer hearing the organ on this one.
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