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Old 02-09-2021, 08:33 PM
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I believe rather than think about what we perceived as hits, we have to come to understand that past radio airplay or single release does not necessarily correlate with long term sustainability or popularity.

I think the Chain is pretty darn high. 5th most streamed song, 3rd highest song from Rumours.

Tango in the Night is a streaming animal onto itself and obviously found itself a international niche and probably a younger demo than Tusk and Mirage within the modern streaming consumer base.

Tusk and Mirage combined total of streams are 177 million. Tango is 317 million on its own.

Also what stood out to me is the Rumours era streaming volume by writer is not as heavily skewed towards Stevie as I thought. 39% Stevie, 32% Lindsey, 29% Christine. Obviously Stevie has a much greater solo volume than the others, that is indisputable. However, it does lead me to believe that Lindsey's rights sale had significantly more value than I initially perceived, especially when artist, writer, and producer royalties are included.

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Old 02-10-2021, 08:02 PM
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I believe rather than think about what we perceived as hits, we have to come to understand that past radio airplay or single release does not necessarily correlate with long term sustainability or popularity.

I think the Chain is pretty darn high. 5th most streamed song, 3rd highest song from Rumours.

Tango in the Night is a streaming animal onto itself and obviously found itself a international niche and probably a younger demo than Tusk and Mirage within the modern streaming consumer base.

Tusk and Mirage combined total of streams are 177 million. Tango is 317 million on its own.

Also what stood out to me is the Rumours era streaming volume by writer is not as heavily skewed towards Stevie as I thought. 39% Stevie, 32% Lindsey, 29% Christine. Obviously Stevie has a much greater solo volume than the others, that is indisputable. However, it does lead me to believe that Lindsey's rights sale had significantly more value than I initially perceived, especially when artist, writer, and producer royalties are included.
some great points!

it is interesting, Tango has influenced a whole new generation of younger groups and performers too, and the streaming data backs it up.

Rumoures era streaming - guess that just shows what we know - Stevie is the face but her output doesn't match her oversized front woman persona.
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I believe rather than think about what we perceived as hits, we have to come to understand that past radio airplay or single release does not necessarily correlate with long term sustainability or popularity.

I think the Chain is pretty darn high. 5th most streamed song, 3rd highest song from Rumours.

Tango in the Night is a streaming animal onto itself and obviously found itself a international niche and probably a younger demo than Tusk and Mirage within the modern streaming consumer base.

Tusk and Mirage combined total of streams are 177 million. Tango is 317 million on its own.

Also what stood out to me is the Rumours era streaming volume by writer is not as heavily skewed towards Stevie as I thought. 39% Stevie, 32% Lindsey, 29% Christine. Obviously Stevie has a much greater solo volume than the others, that is indisputable. However, it does lead me to believe that Lindsey's rights sale had significantly more value than I initially perceived, especially when artist, writer, and producer royalties are included.
Hold Me seems to be a major casualty in this regard. From what I can tell it is the third highest selling Fleetwood Mac song of all time in terms of physical copies (around twice as many as Gypsy). Yet its well down streaming list (considerably lower than Gypsy).

Hold Me is a massive hit that doesn't seem to have had wider enduring appeal.
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Old 02-11-2021, 02:48 AM
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Hold Me seems to be a major casualty in this regard. From what I can tell it is the third highest selling Fleetwood Mac song of all time in terms of physical copies (around twice as many as Gypsy). Yet its well down streaming list (considerably lower than Gypsy).

Hold Me is a massive hit that doesn't seem to have had wider enduring appeal.
I think because just like Gypsy and Think About Me, they were over produced(beautifully), and that translates into being hard to replicate live. Well, back before the karaoke tracks that everyone uses now.
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Old 02-11-2021, 09:15 PM
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Speaking of streaming - I made a playlist in order of the top 20 streaming songs. Pretty good ebb and flow. Energy is good. Lots of Rumours tracks, but all the Rumours albums are represented.


Go Your Own Way 258,518,000
Dreams 188,229,000
Everywhere 154,221,000
Landslide 138,103,000
The Chain 121,974,000
Rhiannon 91,538,000
Never Goin Back Again 78,637,000
Little Lies 76,257,000
Don't Stop 60,889,000
Gypsy 50,655,000
Second Hand News 48,942,000
You Make Loving Fun 43,949,000
Songbird 41,966,000
Gold Dust Woman 33,655,000
Seven Wonders 33,087,000
Sara 24,872,000
Tusk 24,462,000
Big Love 24,454,000
Silver Springs 22,393,000
Oh Daddy 20,052,000
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Old 02-12-2021, 01:30 PM
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I really enjoy that little 20 song playlist constructed 1-20. Its not a playlist I would have ever thought of creating with those specific songs and certainly in that order, but it works.

Only real jarring moment is when you go from the basic acoustic Travis pick and overlapping back strum of Never Going Back Again into the layers of DX7s, Fairlights, and guitar synths that is Little Lies. I enjoy them both, but that is a range of aural inputs between the two tracks.
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Old 02-12-2021, 02:12 PM
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I really enjoy that little 20 song playlist constructed 1-20. Its not a playlist I would have ever thought of creating with those specific songs and certainly in that order, but it works.

Only real jarring moment is when you go from the basic acoustic Travis pick and overlapping back strum of Never Going Back Again into the layers of DX7s, Fairlights, and guitar synths that is Little Lies. I enjoy them both, but that is a range of aural inputs between the two tracks.
And it ends with Oh Daddy! Love it!
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Inspired by John Run and nostalgia. Hereís a top twenty list of Fleetwood Macís physical singles sales, the old 45 rpms (pre digital, pre streaming days), from 1975 through 1987.

Dreams 2,100,000
Tusk 1,900,000
Hold Me 1,700,000
Donít Stop 1,600,000
Little Lies 1,600,000
Sara 1,500,000
Big Love 1,300,000
Go Your Own Way 1,300,000
Everywhere 1,000,000
Rhiannon 900,000
Say You Love Me 900,000
Gypsy 900,000
You Make Loving Fun 900,000
Think About Me 800,000
Seven Wonders 700,000
Over My Head 700,000
Love In Store 500,000
Oh Diane 250,000
Sisters of the Moon 200,000
Fireflies 200,000
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