Mick and Stevie RULE!!!

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by Mari
yes, if he wants to be a real artist, he should die alone, pennyless and unhappy

No - but he does protest a little too much about commercialism given his station in life and how he got there AND - I love him for it

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by face of glass
Lindsey isn’t any less deserving of your attention than he is of other people with different tastes in music and different lifestyles.

Of course he's not any less deserving of my attention. I'm sorry if the way I worded it gave you the impression that because Lindsey likes the Clash, I no longer like his work as much. My musical likes and dislikes are not based on what he says in interviews. Frankly, that would be ridiculous and I'm suprised you got that idea from my posts.

Originally posted by face of glass
I will never belittle the music of Rumours but I will always spit on its sales which were totally ridiculous and unhealthy when compared to any other Fleetwood Mac album. I just don’t think that LB’s work outside of Rumours is a hair worse than those three songs that are considered his apex. It’s an over-simplified and far too popular a conception that needs to be shattered.

Not around here. You hold the majority opinion on this Ledge. It just seems some of that attitude might stem from a defensiveness about Tusk's underappreciation rather than the fact that Rumours was appreciated by the masses. Perhaps not.

[face of glass]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
No - but he does protest a little too much about commercialism given his station in life and how he got there AND - I love him for it

The only thing I think he protests against is giving in completely, in terms of the sound of the album, to the “soft-rock” ideal that most people have of Fleetwood Mac.

He doesn’t have a clearly defined audience, a target group, that he could sell his albums to. I daresay that giving into the street credibility crowd is also selling out in a way because even then you get a particular target group, albeit smaller than the Rumours crowd. It isn’t about the fact that he helped the band sell a lot of albums at one time; it is about not following the easiest possible path.

But then again we’re getting close to Lindsey’s level of complaining here; stating the same points in different ways. So…

Originally posted by sodascouts
Of course he's not any less deserving of my attention. I'm sorry if the way I worded it gave you the impression that because Lindsey likes the Clash, I no longer like his work as much. My musical likes and dislikes are not based on what he says in interviews. Frankly, that would be ridiculous and I'm suprised you got that idea from my posts.

I thought you referred to his music and how it doesn’t and can’t appeal to the “Clash-types”. An opinion I wouldn’t support at all.

But I guess you said that because he mentioned the Clash in that Australian article a while ago and how you think it’s lame that he’s still doing it, am I right?

I don’t care for who he mentions, godspeed you black emperor!, Radiohead, Björk, the White Stripes or the Clash, because I think they all have the same attitude. And I don’t think the Clash is dated at all. Their best work is as relevant as anything FM/LB have done.

Besides, mentioning a supposedly "cool" band in an article every once in a while wouldn't help him in getting to attention of those types anyhow. He'd have to do more drastic things.

Not around here. You hold the majority opinion on this Ledge. It just seems some of that attitude might stem from a defensiveness about Tusk's underappreciation rather than the fact that Rumours was appreciated by the masses. Perhaps not.

I actually think that Rumours is somewhat better than Tusk in terms of it being more instantly appealing and not so bound to the “fan-favourite status”. While I love all FM albums with Buckingham and Nicks almost equally and while I listen to Tusk the most (because of the challenge it lays out) I still think that some of the instrumentation could have been stated with more clarity. That’s the reason I think it is the fan favourite anyway.

I just think that Tusk, right after the presence of Buckingham and Nicks in the line-up, is the biggest reason as to why the Rumours era of Fleetwood Mac can appeal beyond the audiences Warners have had in mind.

[strandinthewind]

I am not saying LB should write songs like Britany Spears or whomever is popular at that moment. Again, the artistic quality of his songs on SYW was never an issue in his or my argument. They were not significantly changed from his GOS stuff "released" on the net. I am saying he wanted to release them all on a FM record when the price of doing that would have made the record sell less according the experts. Then he sort of balks at that notion In any event, in the end it worked out okay.

[face of glass]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I am saying he wanted to release them all on a FM record when the price of doing that would have made the record sell less according the experts. Then he sort of balks at that notion In any event, in the end it worked out okay.

Well I do think that he has less business sense than Stevie. Putting out a diverse double album is a very '60s thing to do (as was putting some of them in outlandish packages).

I guess he is naive in some matters; he still believes that if he wants to put out a certain amount of songs he should have all the support for that even though the times have changed for FM.

Someone at the LegBoard joked about Lindsey thinking the ticket price to an FM concert is 75 cents these days.

So yeah, he's naive and he's a hippie relic. That's why I love the guy.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by face of glass
So yeah, he's naive and he's a hippie relic. That's why I love the guy.

Me too!!!!!!!!!!!

[sodascouts]

Originally posted by face of glass
Someone at the LegBoard joked about Lindsey thinking the ticket price to an FM concert is 75 cents these days.

So yeah, he's naive and he's a hippie relic. That's why I love the guy.

There's an interview which is on Neil's site: http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/articles/FMart129.html where Lindsey is told the price of tickets, and asked about the contradiction between his attitudes about how greedy the music industry is and the fact that arguably charging so much for tickets is greedy.

He honesty says he hasn't chosen to be involved with the price of tickets (implying that he is aware that some artists like Tom Petty have), but then proceeds to justify it by saying that they are a "large-scale band." So... I think the naivety that he first puts out there as an excuse was obviously at the time of this interview gone - he knew the type of money he was going to be making and why. In the Destiny Rules doc you also hear him talking about how much money he's going to make touring. He's obviously not only OK with it, but banking on it.

[Cammie]

The Managers DO RULE! Carl Stubner
told Mick NO!!! Stevie just tried to
back Mick up when they had to tell
this news to Lindsey who was hired
to do a Double Album ...Half Stevies
and Half Lindsey's New Songs!!!

David...good sensible comments as usuall!

Nancy...Lindsey comes from a well-to-do
family and he never played the starving
artist!!!Stevies Dad was vp of Greyhound
and even bought a theatre in Phoenix!

Neither...are Poor Starving orphans actually!!!

But you are Right...Lindsey just doesn't seem to
understand the value of ordinary ppl's money!

They $peak in Thou$and$ and MILLION$!Sky

[teedee]

Originally posted by Cammie
The Managers DO RULE! Carl Stubner
told Mick NO!!! Stevie just tried to
back Mick up when they had to tell
this news to Lindsey who was hired
to do a Double Album ...Half Stevies
and Half Lindsey's New Songs!!!

David...good sensible comments as usuall!

Nancy...Lindsey comes from a well-to-do
family and he never played the starving
artist!!!Stevies Dad was vp of Greyhound
and even bought a theatre in Phoenix!

Neither...are Poor Starving orphans actually!!!

But you are Right...Lindsey just doesn't seem to
understand the value of ordinary ppl's money!

They $peak in Thou$and$ and MILLION$!Sky

their families were not supporting them during the BN days, in fact it was stevie who went and got employment to support both her and lindsey. I do believe that stevie does realize that normal people, earn normal wages, and have other priorities when it comes to their own money. she knows that they dont live on the same scale as she does. and that is very refreshing to hear and makes your realize how realistic and down to earth she is.

[4Buck]

Buck’s parents were affluent, as were Nicks’... and they most likely would help them out financially, as both Nicks and Buckingham were extremely close to their parents.

Buckingham inherited $10,000 from a rich aunt in the early ‘70s which enabled him to not work for two years as well as buy recording equipment. ($10,000 was a lot of money back then.)

She still is the most braggadocio about her successes. It was Nicks that was bragging in interviews about the group having 7 limos, a private jet……. and then remember this:

Nicks insists on taking her furniture from a Bel Air mansion the band rented while recording their latest album, Say You Will. "I lived with that furniture for almost a year, so it feels like home. When I walk into my dressing room, I want to be cozy," Nick said.

By revealing this extravagant living to the press, how do you think fans feel who can’t afford concert tickets?

And Cammie’s right. Lindsey was hired to do a double album…..

[teedee]

Originally posted by 4Buck
Buck’s parents were affluent, as were Nicks’... and they most likely would help them out financially, as both Nicks and Buckingham were extremely close to their parents.

Buckingham inherited $10,000 from a rich aunt in the early ‘70s which enabled him to not work for two years as well as buy recording equipment. ($10,000 was a lot of money back then.)

She still is the most braggadocio about her successes. It was Nicks that was bragging in interviews about the group having 7 limos, a private jet……. and then remember this:

Nicks insists on taking her furniture from a Bel Air mansion the band rented while recording their latest album, Say You Will. "I lived with that furniture for almost a year, so it feels like home. When I walk into my dressing room, I want to be cozy," Nick said.

By revealing this extravagant living to the press, how do you think fans feel who can’t afford concert tickets?

And Cammie’s right. Lindsey was hired to do a double album…..

then why did stevie go to work to pay their rent back then?


How did it look when they told lindsey how much the concert tickets prices were and he made like he didnt know and stated im not really involved with that like tom petty may be. as for stevie and lindseys way of living, they earned it, ma and dad, well off as they may be, didnt just pay the way for them. personally compared to the eagles, stones and other bands from this era, 125.00 is cheaper than what the eagles got for their reunion tour . im not saying that everyone can afford 125.00 tix price, but if people couldnt, they shouldnt go. if it relfected in their concert attendance and sales, then im sure ticket prices would be lowered. but if they sell, its not the bands fault.
and 10,000 dollars may be a lot of money, but it wasnt a huge enough salary even then, to not have to work for 2 yrs and have enough left to buy equipment. stevie worked and paid the rent and bills.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by 4Buck
She still is the most braggadocio about her successes. It was Nicks that was bragging in interviews about the group having 7 limos, a private jet……. and then remember this:

Nicks insists on taking her furniture from a Bel Air mansion the band rented while recording their latest album, Say You Will. "I lived with that furniture for almost a year, so it feels like home. When I walk into my dressing room, I want to be cozy," Nick said.

By revealing this extravagant living to the press, how do you think fans feel who can’t afford concert tickets?

Let's not forget that the sentence before the part you quoted, was this:

Lindsey Buckingham (guitar), John McVie (bass) and Mick Fleetwood (drums) bring their own furniture on tour.

They all enjoy their luxuries, and I appreciate Stevie's openness and honesty about it. I've never felt like she's throwing anything in our faces by talking about it. In fact, she usually seems pretty much in awe of the fact that she can lead the life she does... and she doesn't come off at all jaded about it, which is very refreshing.

But whatever she says and does, she'll never be able to catch a break from some people.

[EveryHour]

Originally posted by Cammie
The workings
of the band and the back-biting and tempers do
spoil it for me! I would take my SYW album back
if I could!

Forgive me, but PUH-LEASE! Fleetwood Mac work the way they work, and obviously they have a lot of emotion invested in their job/craft so disagreements are inevitable. It's your choice to let it effect you that much. If you had film of Rumours being made (which we all know was much worse), would you take that back too?!

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by Lux
But only Lindsey is allowed to enjoy Lux.

brilliant pun!!!!

[dissention]

Originally posted by sodascouts
There's an interview which is on Neil's site: http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/articles/FMart129.html where Lindsey is told the price of tickets, and asked about the contradiction between his attitudes about how greedy the music industry is and the fact that arguably charging so much for tickets is greedy.

He honesty says he hasn't chosen to be involved with the price of tickets (implying that he is aware that some artists like Tom Petty have), but then proceeds to justify it by saying that they are a "large-scale band." So... I think the naivety that he first puts out there as an excuse was obviously at the time of this interview gone - he knew the type of money he was going to be making and why. In the Destiny Rules doc you also hear him talking about how much money he's going to make touring. He's obviously not only OK with it, but banking on it.

Boy, Nancy, you read my mind. Well put. VERY well put.

I find a lot of his tortured artist/naive about the business talk to be quite comical, myself. He really must be naive if he thinks people buy it. The band demanded $750,000 a night, surely he must've thought once or twice about ticket prices. And his claiming that he isn't involved with ticket pricing is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard a musician say.

He is quite the ridiculous, over-the-top, drama queen, bull**** artist...but he's a musical genius nonetheless. And I don't buy much of anything that he says.