thoughts on firing?

[nicepace]

Although getting fired is terrible, I think Lindsey will be happier putting out a solo album and doing a solo tour than doing another oldies tour with the Big Machine without any new music.

My main disappointment is that Christine didn't go with him. I believe she honestly enjoyed the BuckVie album and tour, but (apparently) she is choosing the Big Machine tour rather than hitching her wagon to his star. Best case scenario is he plans for this to be a true solo effort, and he will recruit her for more BuckVie in the future.

It's hard for me to believe that money is the primary motivation for anyone other than Mick. I find it hard to believe that each of the three songwriters aren't getting handsome royalty checks every week. But maybe Stevie is greedier than I imagine. Heck, maybe they all are.

[elle]

Originally Posted by nicepace

Although getting fired is terrible, I think Lindsey will be happier putting out a solo album and doing a solo tour than doing another oldies tour with the Big Machine without any new music.

My main disappointment is that Christine didn't go with him. I believe she honestly enjoyed the BuckVie album and tour, but (apparently) she is choosing the Big Machine tour rather than hitching her wagon to his star. Best case scenario is he plans for this to be a true solo effort, and he will recruit her for more BuckVie in the future.

It's hard for me to believe that money is the primary motivation for anyone other than Mick. I find it hard to believe that each of the three songwriters aren't getting handsome royalty checks every week. But maybe Stevie is greedier than I imagine. Heck, maybe they all are.

i don't think it's about money for Stevie. if it was, she would have simply left the mac after her last solo tour, where she doesn't have to split the income 5-ways. yes, Mac makes more money than her solo tour, but probably about 3 x as much , not 5x. so either she was trying to get out of the Mac tour blameless (speculations are that Mac tour has been booked since January), or she just really wanted to show Lindsey not just how she would leave so fast that palm leaves would hit him in the head or whatever it was few years ago - but that she now can even push him out. for her it would be a win-win - either they cancel the tour altogether if they don't wanna turn on LB, or they fire him if they do.

i think LB wanted FM tour because he wanted to finance comfortably his next solo tour. he was counting on Mac tour for that. he didn't want out, but after his album got converted and pushed back, he probably did want to try to push the start of the Mac tour from august to a bit later. but, the story goes, he relented. but then he wanted them to wait for his dates to be cemented before they announce the Mac tour, and supposedly that was the last straw.

Mick wanted the Mac tour and to get as much money as possible. plus we've seen Mick and Stevie together around the world an awful lot in the last few months. maybe there was a resentment that BuckVie was so well received and that LB and CM looked like they had so much fun.

then supposedly the vote came. it was Mick and Stevie vs Lindsey. i have to assume LB couldn't believe that they would even pull something like that on him. so Mick and Stevie want him out. they say they can't work with that arrogant jerk anymore. John goes with Mick, by default, because the 2 of them had a pact forever that they stick together - or something like that. so that's 3:1 and it's basically over. Christine is in the middle, and sad about the whole situation. i have no idea whether she voted or not. but she stayed with the band. Mick's social media looked like he's been really trying to butter her up lately. plus Mick is her real friend i think. he always kept in touch. i hope she tours the shortest time possible and then bolts.

[Murrow]

Originally Posted by elle

i don't think it's about money for Stevie. if it was, she would have simply left the mac after her last solo tour, where she doesn't have to split the income 5-ways. yes, Mac makes more money than her solo tour, but probably about 3 x as much , not 5x. so either she was trying to get out of the Mac tour blameless (speculations are that Mac tour has been booked since January), or she just really wanted to show Lindsey not just how she would leave so fast that palm leaves would hit him in the head or whatever it was few years ago - but that she now can even push him out. for her it would be a win-win - either they cancel the tour altogether if they don't wanna turn on LB, or they fire him if they do.

i think LB wanted FM tour because he wanted to finance comfortably his next solo tour. he was counting on Mac tour for that. he didn't want out, but after his album got converted and pushed back, he probably did want to try to push the start of the Mac tour from august to a bit later. but, the story goes, he relented. but then he wanted them to wait for his dates to be cemented before they announce the Mac tour, and supposedly that was the last straw.

Mick wanted the Mac tour and to get as much money as possible. plus we've seen Mick and Stevie together around the world an awful lot in the last few months. maybe there was a resentment that BuckVie was so well received and that LB and CM looked like they had so much fun.

then supposedly the vote came. it was Mick and Stevie vs Lindsey. i have to assume LB couldn't believe that they would even pull something like that on him. so Mick and Stevie want him out. they say they can't work with that arrogant jerk anymore. John goes with Mick, by default, because the 2 of them had a pact forever that they stick together - or something like that. so that's 3:1 and it's basically over. Christine is in the middle, and sad about the whole situation. i have no idea whether she voted or not. but she stayed with the band. Mick's social media looked like he's been really trying to butter her up lately. plus Mick is her real friend i think. he always kept in touch. i hope she tours the shortest time possible and then bolts.

Not sure what you mean about his album being converted. None of LB’s albums have been converted to Mac albums this side of 2003.

[elle]

Originally Posted by Murrow

Not sure what you mean about his album being converted. None of LB’s albums have been converted to Mac albums this side of 2003.

he was planning to release an album of all new music right about now. record company decided he should release Best Of album instead, and hold off on the album of new music and release it later. or something like that. that's what i meant.

[justcrazylove]

Is anyone else sick at the thought of listening to Fleetwood Mac atm? I've had solo Linds on repeat, i just cant bring myself to listen to the band. I can't even listen to Buckingham/McVie or any GOS tracks with Mick and John. Still just so angry.

[TrueFaith77]

Originally Posted by justcrazylove

Is anyone else sick at the thought of listening to Fleetwood Mac atm? I've had solo Linds on repeat, i just cant bring myself to listen to the band. I can't even listen to Buckingham/McVie or any GOS tracks with Mick and John. Still just so angry.

I’ve been playing my 21st Century Lindsey playlist which includes all of SYW, BM, and even Soldiers Angel.

It’s a testament to what they can achieve ... together

[wondergirl9847]

I'm sad things have happened this way. Even if he does sit just this one tour out and comes back for a "Farewell" tour, things have gotten so ugly, it will be yucky. Fans are divided, various fandoms are at each other's throats and it's making it hard to be an FM fan, which SUCKS because I love this stupid band and their amazing music. If this tour w/o LB does gangbusters, then you'll have people rubbing it in everyone's face saying "See, don't need him." It makes me wanna vomit. Then, you have folks who have seen changes from the beginning who are excited about the newbies. That's fine, I get why they are excited, but this whole ordeal has tainted the aura of Fleetwood Mac, to me.

P.S. Asking the PROMOTERS who they'd rather have in the f***ing band? REALLY, MICK? Jesus.

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

I'm sad things have happened this way. Even if he does sit just this one tour out and comes back for a "Farewell" tour, things have gotten so ugly, it will be yucky. Fans are divided, various fandoms are at each other's throats and it's making it hard to be an FM fan, which SUCKS because I love this stupid band and their amazing music. If this tour w/o LB does gangbusters, then you'll have people rubbing it in everyone's face saying "See, don't need him." It makes me wanna vomit. Then, you have folks who have seen changes from the beginning who are excited about the newbies. That's fine, I get why they are excited, but this whole ordeal has tainted the aura of Fleetwood Mac, to me.

P.S. Asking the PROMOTERS who they'd rather have in the f***ing band? REALLY, MICK? Jesus.

I thought of you when the news broke, as well as some Ledgies who aren't around much anymore, like Gerald.

[lisarod]

I don't want to hear any FM right now. It makes my blood boil! I'm listening to Lindsey's solo work only!

[elle]

for people who are asking about what happened - here is some more, filled in by Rick Turner (luthier who made Turner Model 1, LB's guitar) -

Rick Turner:
At one point, Lindsey had proposed that both FM and he with his band tour at the same time with the LB band filling in dates between the FM shows. The report was that Stevie wanted at least a day between gigs; Lindsey wanted to play as much as possible. That's what I heard from a most reliable source at the NAMM show in January.

i asked Rick whether it's ok if i post here (you know, weirdos on The Ledge, as Jimmy P. nicely calls people here ). this was Rick's response:

Rick Turner
Elle Llew Sure. I think it just points out one point of contention. Maybe it looked to some as though LB was going to do really well touring hard; perhaps not doubling his money on the tour, but certainly getting in nearly twice the audience face time. I did not hear whether Christine was going to possibly do the LB gigs as well as the FM gigs, but Bret and Neil would have, and that would have made nice...and deserved...paydays for them. Good guys, great musicians. I know Federico was looking forward to ti.

and more:

Rick Turner
Felix Le Chat Lindsey would have gotten more press than Stevie if they'd done a double tour like that.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by elle

for people who are asking about what happened - here is some more, filled in by Rick Turner (luthier who made Turner Model 1, LB's guitar) -

Rick Turner:
At one point, Lindsey had proposed that both FM and he with his band tour at the same time with the LB band filling in dates between the FM shows. The report was that Stevie wanted at least a day between gigs; Lindsey wanted to play as much as possible. That's what I heard from a most reliable source at the NAMM show in January.

this doesn't even make sense. FM would need at least one or two days between Mac gigs in order for Lindsey's plan to make sense... like, how could he do solo shows if they booked Mac shows.....

She's always had like stretches with fairly close shows mixed with stretches with 3-4 days off. Hence, Chrissie Hynde having time to do solo shows in between. I just don't see how FM would have been different....

was he proposing that they go from city to city faster so the expense of moving all the musicians and equipment would be more streamlined??

[bwboy]

Originally Posted by elle

for people who are asking about what happened - here is some more, filled in by Rick Turner (luthier who made Turner Model 1, LB's guitar) -

Rick Turner:
At one point, Lindsey had proposed that both FM and he with his band tour at the same time with the LB band filling in dates between the FM shows. The report was that Stevie wanted at least a day between gigs; Lindsey wanted to play as much as possible. That's what I heard from a most reliable source at the NAMM show in January.

i asked Rick whether it's ok if i post here (you know, weirdos on The Ledge, as Jimmy P. nicely calls people here ). this was Rick's response:

Rick Turner
Elle Llew Sure. I think it just points out one point of contention. Maybe it looked to some as though LB was going to do really well touring hard; perhaps not doubling his money on the tour, but certainly getting in nearly twice the audience face time. I did not hear whether Christine was going to possibly do the LB gigs as well as the FM gigs, but Bret and Neil would have, and that would have made nice...and deserved...paydays for them. Good guys, great musicians. I know Federico was looking forward to ti.

and more:

Rick Turner
Felix Le Chat Lindsey would have gotten more press than Stevie if they'd done a double tour like that.

I absolutely believe that Lindsey wanted to do solo concert dates during the FM tour, and that that was why he's not touring with them now. I even shared this theory myself days ago. And I see both pov but ultimately, I understand why the band didn't like the idea at all and didn't agree to it. Two reasons: he would have been competing with the band for tickets, press, etc. Second, he would have been happier performing his solo shows, and that would have been obvious at the FM shows, kind of like how he was at the East/West Coast FM shows. And I don't believe for one second Christine would have performed with him. She's content to perform with FM live and anyway, Lindsey wants to promote his new solo album.

Pure speculation now on my part, which I wouldn't normally share but since everyone else has, I may as well- what if Lindsey was the one who gave the ultimatum? "Either I get to do my solo tour on off days or I won't tour with you guys at all."

I still look forward to hearing what Lindsey and FM have to say about what really happened.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by elle

for people who are asking about what happened - here is some more, filled in by Rick Turner (luthier who made Turner Model 1, LB's guitar) -

Rick Turner:
At one point, Lindsey had proposed that both FM and he with his band tour at the same time with the LB band filling in dates between the FM shows. The report was that Stevie wanted at least a day between gigs; Lindsey wanted to play as much as possible. That's what I heard from a most reliable source at the NAMM show in January.

i asked Rick whether it's ok if i post here (you know, weirdos on The Ledge, as Jimmy P. nicely calls people here ). this was Rick's response:

Rick Turner
Elle Llew Sure. I think it just points out one point of contention. Maybe it looked to some as though LB was going to do really well touring hard; perhaps not doubling his money on the tour, but certainly getting in nearly twice the audience face time. I did not hear whether Christine was going to possibly do the LB gigs as well as the FM gigs, but Bret and Neil would have, and that would have made nice...and deserved...paydays for them. Good guys, great musicians. I know Federico was looking forward to ti.

and more:

Rick Turner
Felix Le Chat Lindsey would have gotten more press than Stevie if they'd done a double tour like that.

so.... was Stevie arguing for at least a day between gigs on behalf of the supporting players?? Seems like they had decided for themselves they were ok with it. Maybe she thought it would poop them out for the Mac shows over time?? I'm just trying to figure out how the pieces fit logically. Which is a mistake with this band because so much is done emotionally!

[elle]

posting here, so it doesn't get lost in the rumours forum:

i talked to my 14 yo daughter this morning, while driving her to school. i told her Fleetwood Mac fired Lindsey. she was like, what? how does that even happen?

she pondered it a bit, and then came up with this: "i guess they just must have gone senile."

i had to laugh. guess kids cut through the crap and come up with the most plausible explanation!

[julesmck]

Here's what I don't get: how could the band—Stevie in particular—be willing to burn that bridge with Lindsey with such finality? Forget the music—on a personal level, it's a monumental betrayal. I don't see how their relationship could come back from it.

If she is the one who pushed for his ouster, I think that one day, in the not-too-distant future, she will regret being so impetuous.