Making Rumours by Ken Caillat

[michelej1]

So, I was just reviewing what we know about Smile At You. Ken said Stevie developed it with Tom and when Lindsey found out that Tom had been involved, he didn't want the song on Runours. However when asked about the song in his Q & A here, Tom said sorry, he didn't even know anything about that song.

Michele

[David]

Originally Posted by michelej1

So, I was just reviewing what we know about Smile At You. Ken said Stevie developed it with Tom and when Lindsey found out that Tom had been involved, he didn't want the song on Runours. However when asked about the song in his Q & A here, Tom said sorry, he didn't even know anything about that song.

These guys never remember what happened. In his Q&A, Ken didn't remember that the band recorded it for Mirage. Stevie doesn't remember which year she toured for The Wild Heart. And Brett Tuggle didn't remember that he played the piano on Oh Daddy on the 1997 tour.

[iamnotafraid]

The most shocking thing of all, there's no
mention of Barry in the Caillat book.
Sure he became more important to Stevie
in the early 80's and then the 90's, for most
obvious reasons. But no mention at all!?!?
What gives Ken?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by David

These guys never remember what happened. In his Q&A, Ken didn't remember that the band recorded it for Mirage. Stevie doesn't remember which year she toured for The Wild Heart. And Brett Tuggle didn't remember that he played the piano on Oh Daddy on the 1997 tour.

Yes, but since Golden Braid was the only song he co-wrote with Stevie, if he'd actually developed Smile at You with her, he would have remembered. It's not like they had a lot of true collaborations, though he was dubbed "demo producer."

Michele

[David]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Yes, but since Golden Braid was the only song he co-wrote with Stevie, if he'd actually developed Smile at You with her, he would have remembered. It's not like they had a lot of true collaborations, though he was dubbed "demo producer."

"Golden Braid" may be the only song published that Tom co-wrote. Sometimes I wonder just how many songs Moncrieff may have helped Stevie build. On Nancy's website, he took credit not only for helping Stevie orchestrate "Sara" but for having laid down the tracks that were actually used on the Tusk album. (The claim is suspect for a number of reasons, but it was made.)

A lot of old demos filled with mystery musicians may have been Moncrieff and assorted people: How about the "All the King's Horses" full-band demo? or the old "If You Ever Did Believe"? The demos with electric keyboard and Casio-style drum are easy to identify as Stevie herself, but many of those full-band demos that are neither Fleetwood Mac nor the Heartbreakers may very well be a circle of friends that include Tom M.

Sometimes, Mick Fleetwood is easy to pick out as the drummer--as on the "Storms" and "Watchdevil" demos from Almanac. But who else is playing?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by David

"Golden Braid" may be the only song published that Tom co-wrote. Sometimes I wonder just how many songs Moncrieff may have helped Stevie build. On Nancy's website, he took credit not only for helping Stevie orchestrate "Sara" but for having laid down the tracks that were actually used on the Tusk album. (The claim is suspect for a number of reasons, but it was made.)

Yes, he said he co-wrote Golden Braid and worked on Leather and Lace, Sara, Outside The Rain, Gypsy and Sisters of the Moon. He talked about Stevie venturing off into a Motwon sound on SOTM that he wished he'd had the opportunity to explore further. And then a lot of Bella Donna album pre-production, but he didn't even think he was part of Stevie's life when she was doing Smile at You.

So, Hernan Rojas was the engineer on a lot of those things. I wonder what he remembers.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

It sounds more like a Buckingham Nicks song than Fleetwood Mac. Which is probably why I love it.

I love this tune... I has the energy and vibe that I think is totally Rumours.. but yet in a B/N sort of way... I always picture Christine doing the clapping.. lol

[David]

Originally Posted by michelej1

He talked about Stevie venturing off into a Motwon sound on SOTM that he wished he'd had the opportunity to explore further.

What a bizarre thing to say. The Motown sound refers to production and orchestrative elements found in certain soul and R&B records. Stevie sings her song and backs herself on piano on SOTM. What does that have to do with Motown?! (My question is rhetorical: It has nothing to do with Motown.) Maybe he was thinking of the vocal doo-wa on Sara from early takes?

So, Hernan Rojas was the engineer on a lot of those things. I wonder what he remembers.

Line him up for a Q&A! We have a lot to ask him.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by David

What a bizarre thing to say. The Motown sound refers to production and orchestrative elements found in certain soul and R&B records.

He referenced piano that sounded like vibraphone parts that were syncopated.

Michele

[David]

Originally Posted by michelej1

He referenced piano that sounded like vibraphone parts that were syncopated.

That still doesn't make any sense. Michele, can you post the interview transcript?

[Morgana]

And....here's Ken tonight on blogtalkradio.......

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/juneaux...au-xenas-salon

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by David

That still doesn't make any sense. Michele, can you post the interview transcript?

David, you know exactly where that interview is. Why are you faking befuddlement?

http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/fwm/inde...623&Itemid=383

http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/fwm/inde...667&Itemid=409

[David]

Originally Posted by michelej1

David, you know exactly where that interview is. Why are you faking befuddlement?

http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/fwm/inde...623&Itemid=383

http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/fwm/inde...667&Itemid=409

Well, I didn't know you were talking about THAT.

Hey, I was just over at Ken's website and if you follow the eBook link, you can find a bunch of really cool Shockwave-Flash embedded files--with cool photos--of various parts of the recording. Did you know that was there? Does Ken have any more of that stuff and can he share it?

To me, I don't need to read the book for the musical story. All I need to do is listen to the snippets of tracks and that tells me exactly what happened in the recording booth in terms of instrumentation and effects. (I'm an experienced listener.)

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by David

To me, I don't need to read the book for the musical story. All I need to do is listen to the snippets of tracks and that tells me exactly what happened in the recording booth in terms of instrumentation and effects. (I'm an experienced listener.)

Well, read the book and make sure you are right. You may find yourself surprised in places. You may have guessed wrong about what you thought you were hearing!

Michele

[blackcat]

Originally Posted by Morgana

And....here's Ken tonight on blogtalkradio.......

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/juneaux...au-xenas-salon

Thank you for the link. The audio interview is downloadable.