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Oh my - I've nothing to say except that I love and admire Lindsey.
I will never trash him or be disloyal - my feelings remain unchanged. Let he who is without sin......... Oh, and Nico....... Last edited by McTrouble; 04-19-2012 at 06:53 AM.. |
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Have you reacted similarly to other artists who have been shown to be despicable people? Dali? Polanski? Brecht? Wagner?
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John Phillips (probably the most monstrous artist of all time?) is my very favorite songwriter, but I don't know that I would spend money on his music, were he still living. So while I don't share MrStevie's feelings about Mr. Buckingham, I certainly see where he's coming from, and respect his decision to withdraw his support as a fan. We all have our boundaries for our idols. Now, I believe Ken's and Carol Ann's stories about Lindsey, but they haven't changed my love for his music. I've been disappointed to learn what he was like in that era, but I do think he's worked extremely hard over the years to battle his demons. The man speaks therapist. And on a personal level, having lived with a brother who once had severe anger management problems but has worked through them and changed completely, I really believe in people's ability to change. Until we hear negative stories about Lindsey's behavior in the present, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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I'm with you, mezzoforte. Polanski's sexual assault of a minor sickens me to the degree where I no longer can appreciate his work.
However, at least in my opinion, Lindsey's occasional violent outbursts 20+ years ago aren't anywhere near as repulsive as raping a 13-year-old. (I'm not trying to justify Lindsey's behavior - that's just my feelings on the matter). My reaction is no more or less valid than others'. Just like I don't want to be told that I'm overreacting to Polanski, I'm not going to tell others they're overreacting about Lindsey if they choose to turn away from him. Each person can make that decision for him or herself. As for me, I think Lindsey's changed and I respect that. I don't hold his past behavior against him. It's the present that matters to me. JMHO. |
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The way I look at it - Lindsey may be an affable, friendly guy with a good heart but that doesn't mean he isn't an a-hole with a violent temper at times. (Really, I dont expect him to fly into a fist slinging, neck strangling rage with his fans...) And, just because he has a violent temper doesn't mean he was or is an abuser. I recall he practically destroyed a guitar in recent years, so I don't believe alcohol/drugs are all to blame-probably just made him worse. But, silence from witnesses doesn't necessarily indicate anything stronger than a collective shrug from people who know him best and don't feel there is any claim serious enough to warrant a defense. For the same reason no one got up and bothered to protect anyone who was being "attacked" in any of the incidences described (Ken, CAH, Stevie) - they knew there was no real threat.
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As for whether it happened, I certainly don't see silence or the silence of his friends and co-workers as proof of anything. Maybe they simply think that discussing it will only give the allegations more publicity. So far, we haven't seen any of them asked about it in the press. And believe me, if they were asked and refused to respond, I think that would rate a mention in the news articles too. So far, it hasn't happened. I don't think anyone cares except us. The Sheryl Crow thing made a big splash in the mainstream press. This other stuff does not. So, the idea that they would proactively speak out against CAH or Ken seems absurd to me. It's not as if those books made the NY Times Bestseller list. They're well known to a devoted community of FM fans, but not to the masses. Michele |
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ok I'll be good now...
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Yeah, I don't have the greatest memory myself and I don't even do drugs. I can see how dates can get confused. There are other inaccuracies that are more difficult to explain away. Still, this thread isn't about the Eagles, so I'll resist the urge to go into greater detail.
I do tend to give my faves the benefit of the doubt. Even now, though I don't know him and have no proof to back it up, I still believe Lindsey's a good guy. I believe this in spite of the fact that I also believe he occasionally went ballistic and grabbed people in chokeholds when enraged. Why? Because I adore his music and I think he's great. That makes no logical sense, but there it is! BTW Sue - "Starshine" is one of my favorite demos so your username always makes me smile! |
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fan experiences partially address the assertion that LB "sucks the fun out of every room he enters" and that nobody ever has anything good to say about him. people brought up their personal experiences to the contrary. |
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Sue ...."Blue Water....I sit and I wait for the morning to come...." ...."All the beautiful worlds...that I have seen so far have all fallen down....Ooh, it used to be yours....calm , beautiful ,childlike victim...calm beautiful, childlike victim...." ..."There is a legend passed down through the ages...down through the crystal visions...down through the crystal clear-water fountain...the charmed ones remain...They are mine (you remain...ooh)...." |
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Yes, it's Nancy. Thanks for the kind words and I too miss the old sites like sararhiannon.com and burnish.net. Despite the lack of timely updates, I plan to keep buckinghamnicks.net online until I die or run out of money, whichever comes first!
It's true you can love the music without loving the man (or woman). Perhaps we shouldn't even concern ourselves... but the information is out there and it's only natural to discuss it. |
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As far as the band defending themselves, if they do it will probably be in a song. I like to think that Everybody Finds Out is Stevie's response to Carol Ann's jealous portrayal of her in the book.' You cant love him you cant have him= I do have him most of the time. Anytime we can get away". There was one point in the book where Carol mentions Lindsey going to Stevie's hotel room to talk to her about being mean to poor innocent Carol. Carol says Lindsey was gone for hours. Did she really think they were talking about her all that time? She was definitely dilusional about the 'Spectre of Stevie'. The part in EFO when Stevie says "you always know when somethings wrong, my friend" sounds like she is adressing Carol's attempt to befriend her after she trashes her through out the book. For Lindsey, I can see Red Rover being a response to Harris. You dont belong here, I guess you never did = FM circle, Red Rover we come to take you over= sarcasm of her innocent act and her portrayal of the band. One of the quiet ones one of the few, now fall down onto your knees show us all what you can do= I have always thought of Carol as a glorified groupie so I will leave that up to interpetation There may be other references in songs that we havent noticed? |
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Ax Grinding !!!
The only one I feel sorry for aside from the family who love Daddy and his little wife...is David falling for this mean spirited,nasty book!!!Ken ought to be ashamed...there must be a better way to raise money! Ken cannot spoil my admiration for Lindsey's music!
God Bless and Keep Lindsey and his family in His Loving Care!!!
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