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Old 11-19-2002, 08:19 AM
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Question Tommy Emmanuel

Regarding the thread about Santana and some others. Heres another question for the guitar experts. What about Tommy Emmanuel? Does anybody know him? He has a connection to Chet Atkins (fingerpicking style)- like LB also has- and even worked with him (unlike LB). Every once in a while he comes over here and somebody said to me that he is technically one of the best guitarists of the world. Beside doing his show on stage he also gives fingerpicking style workshops and so on. Can anybody say something about this? Is this another league of playing? Or comparable concerning technical abilities? Would be very interesting to get an estimation from you...
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Old 11-19-2002, 05:41 PM
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Tommy Emmanuel is a VERY good, VERY underrated guitarist. Acoustically he is one of the best technicians ever. His Travis picking style and his layering of notes is quite amazing. A lot of people probably have never heard of him outside of Australia and Europe but he is outstanding. Think of Lindsey's playing on Big Love acoustically and then move it on a little.

Check out www.tommy-emmanuel.com for an insight into an amazing and humble player.

Tommy even has some tips for anyone thinking of taking up the guitar.

His playing is in the same league as Lindsey's but maybe in a higher division. Don't forget Lindsey is both an electric and acoustic player, Emmanuel is totally dedicated to the acoustic and I've never seen anybody that knows the fingerboard so well.

Anybody living in the UK he is playing in London in December (check his site for details).

Seteca, have you got your ticket yet?

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Old 11-19-2002, 06:48 PM
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He is incredibly talented...I just visited his website and I love that little bit of acoustic sweep-picking he does at the end of Waltzing Matilda....it really caught me "off guard"..! I was watching it thinking "this is not impressive.....this is not impressive........this is not.....[end bit].....ok THAT was impressive!!!!!!" lol!!

Madformac, I haven't got a ticket for the show (yet)...I was just looking at the prices...the "Bali" show is a bit pricey at £23.50 for an "admission only" but I'll check out how much the other gig is tomorrow, the one on the 28th.

(Doesn't beat Bon Jovi's "general admission" tickets for Hyde Park next summer....£45...!!...!?? Compare that price to the seated Row 2 tickets Madformac and I have for the Mark Knopfler gig in the Royal Albert Hall in June..£30 a ticket)

Big Love...I know a lot of people think that this is Lindsey Buckingham at his very best acoustically...but it really isn't (I'm talking strictly technically, sure as a song it's absolutely awesome!) . It's a relatively simple piece of Travis picking....that "fast" middle part where he always gets the applause is nothing compared to the work of other Travis picking / fingerstyle artists (like Tommy Emmanuel). In fact, the method used to play that part is permanently used for songs like Try For The Sun and Say Goodbye....two songs that I would just LOVE to see done live on this coming tour.

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That WAS quite impressive, that doodle-doodle-doo part towards the end! COOL! Thanks for letting us know about this guy!
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In fact, the method used to play that part is permanently used for songs like Try For The Sun and Say Goodbye....
I am not sure if I understood this right. These two are technically more difficult than Big love? And if this was not meant- what is technically his best work? CU, Stefan
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...That WAS quite impressive, that doodle-doodle-doo part towards the end!...
lol..!! Was it better than the "doodely-doo...doodely-doo" part of Big Love...??



P.S. I think you're referring to the sweep-picking part...!
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I am not sure if I understood this right. These two are technically more difficult than Big love? And if this was not meant- what is technically his best work? CU, Stefan
I literally just meant that an identical picking method is used for that part of Big Love and the whole of Try For The Sun and Say Goodbye....so if for a live show, if he was to play these two exactly the way they are as album versions, it would be like seeing a "whole song's worth" of that middle part of Big Love, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he receives a standing ovation at every show for doing either of these songs.

I don't however believe that any of the above are technically his "best work". IMHO....his technically best work is (on a studio album) "Instrumental Introduction To This Is The Time" and (live, although the album version is just as impressive) "Never Going Back Again".


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his technically best work is (on a studio album) "Instrumental Introduction To This Is The Time" and (live, although the album version is just as impressive) "Never Going Back Again".

You're talking about his Out of the cradle tour- version of NGBA?
I only know that one and the version from 1981 (FM live album)
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You're talking about his Out of the cradle tour- version of NGBA?
I only know that one and the version from 1981 (FM live album)
I think all the live versions of the song are pretty much equally impressive (that "extra middle part" he added around the time of OOTC sounds really good but it's not that hard to play).

With the exception of The Dance, Lindsey played NGBA on all tours since Rumours came out. i.e Rumours, Tusk, Mirage and OOTC tours. He also plays a very elegant version of it on the Making Of Rumours DVD.

If I had to pick a fav. it would have to be the "Live" (i.e. Tusk Tour) album version....the intro. is beautiful and his vocals are amazing...!

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"doodely doo....doodely doo...."

Talk about something striking you as funny!
BWHAHAHAAA!!!
Actually seeing that in writing has me about to slide out of my chair! I'll never be able to listen to it quite the same again.
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lol..!! Was it better than the "doodely-doo...doodely-doo" part of Big Love...??
NO WAY!! LOL The Big Love doodle-eee-doo is GREATNESS!!!

sulamith, glad that my goober-ness made ya laugh! It's hard to put certain sounds into actual words, I tried my best! HAHA
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Big Love...It's a relatively simple piece of Travis picking....that "fast" middle part where he always gets the applause is nothing compared to the work of other Travis picking / fingerstyle artists (like Tommy Emmanuel).
And here's another question on technical abilities and the difficulties of a live performance. To me- as an absolute non musician and just music listener- it always seemed to be hard to play something this way and also do the singing simultaneously live. Is that an additional difficulty? Or could you say- either somebody can play a piece in the fingerpicking style or not- no matter if he sings on it or not?
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And here's another question on technical abilities and the difficulties of a live performance. To me- as an absolute non musician and just music listener- it always seemed to be hard to play something this way and also do the singing simultaneously live. Is that an additional difficulty? Or could you say- either somebody can play a piece in the fingerpicking style or not- no matter if he sings on it or not?
Good question. I would say that there is a point in every musician's life, where, regardless of what instrument you play, you don't have to "think" about what you want to play: you just play it.

It's very analagous to driving a race car: if I was driving a Formula One car, I would have to think about how much to turn the steering wheel, whether I should press left or right for "shift up" and "shift down", whether I should switch on my traction control for the next corner...etc etc etc, and yet I still would probably not have the guts to take it past 100mph. Then you see these F1 drivers who not only do 70 laps at an average of 150mph......but also have casual conversations over the radio with their team bosses whilst taking turns at over 200mph. Basically, it's all about confidence, and experience.

There have been so many occasions when I've been playing a song (including Big Love), casually, whilst watching TV, or having a conversation with a friend. Although I'm not that great a singer, when I do sing whilst playing, the "singing process" never "interferes" with the "playing" process (the only time there is a problem is if I forget the words!), regardless of how easy or tough the guitar or vocal parts are. The two are pretty much independent.

I said recently in another post that what makes LB so amazingly talented is the fact that he can play like that and sing like that at the same time....but I didn't mean that the amazing part is the fact that he is doing both "at the same time", I meant that what is amazing is the fact that he can play like THAT...and sing like THAT i.e. I think he is an amazing guitarist, and an amazing singer, which is a rare find nowadays.

So in answer to your question, IMHO, I don't think that singing is really a problem . The only time I can think that it may be classed as an "additional difficulty" is when you have to keep your head in a fixed position (i.e. up and towards the microphone) whilst playing an "easy to mess up (if you're not looking at your left hand)" part with your left hand. That fast middle part of Big Love is a perfect example...the two left hand fingers are not on the same fret, and have to smoothly shift between three chord positions with no "sliding", and that can be damn tough if you're not looking at your left hand: you see LB looking out of the corner of his eye every time he makes that chord switch whilst singing "I wake up, alone with it all...etc".

If you have 25,000 people staring at you I guess it doesn't make things any easier.


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Heart doodely doo...doodely doo!!!

Gosh...gee whizzz...I envy you all your guitar playing
talents! I sweat just playing a simple chord!!! We try
so hard and get NO where!!! I got the Mel Bay Book!
That guy is great...many are...but Lindsey's intensity
is what grabs me!!! You can see him... quickly looking
down to grab the chord and then...quickly back to the
mic to sing the lyric!I like his Big Love and SNL Trouble!

Good Acoustic players are Ed Gerhard & Laurence Juber!
Don't forget talented Muriel Anderson...Lindsey's friend!
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Laurence Juber, a name from the past! When I hear him play nowadays, it's strange to think of him being Paul McCartney's lead guitarist in Wings (in their final incarnation)...just seems so out of character.

Similarly with Craig Chaquico. He's such an instrumental acoustic specialist now, it's tough to think of him playing all those radical leads with Jefferson Airplane/Starship back in the '70s/'80s.
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