Message from Wendy Welch (re: BW RRHOF induction)

[Spikey]

Hey folks,

For those who haven't followed the Bob Welch on Facebook stuff, Wendy, Bob's widow, is posting as Bob on Facebook, primarily to spread news that he is gone and is also part of a group called "Let's Get Bob Welch Inducted Into The Rock&Roll Hall of Fame."

http://www.facebook.com/groups/BobWe.../BobWelch.HOF/

The precusor to Wendy's post was this:
Pixie Gee:

A note worth reading and considering from Jimmy:

Jimmy · Friends with John Mcvie and 2 others

I have said this before , RRHF, has not , will not , ever accept , a petition , as reasoning to get inducted into the RRHF ... WHY you are asking yourselves ? Then the whole reason for the RRHF could be corrupted and bands or artists could "buy" their way in to it , which would make it completely useless ... It's not operated as a democratic entity , it's a private organization that operates by it's own rules and guide lines ... The invite was sent to the leader of the band and that person in turn replied to them with a list of who would be attending ... that's how it works , so you can not appeal to RRHF you must appeal to the band ... The "Mob Rules Plan" will never get the "Mac" to set around the table and to work this thing out , trust me on this ...

Bob Welch:

att: Welch Warriors, I think we should all listen to Pixie Gee. The petition is stilll important to go viral. But we must now contact all members of Fleetwood Mac in anyway we can. Pull out all punches and get to any and every Fleetwood Mac member every way we can think of. This is the only thing we can do for Bob and his memory, and as you know he deserved it then and he deserves it now. His fans have proven it. This space has had over 1 1/2 million hits since he died. You all must know some way you can help to reach just one of their sites or them peronally if not all of them this will make a difference. Look up their names and post all your comments that you may have on all their sites. Thank you.<3Wendy.

The link to the comment thread from above is here:
http://www.facebook.com/groups/BobWe...6670555050145/

Hopefully everyone has signed the petition and will support Wendy and friends (including myself) to achieve this goal, and if anyone is friends with BN, the Mac's, or Fleetwood himself they will persuade them a bit.

[wetcamelfood]

I see what Jimmy's saying but if all the band does is tell the hall who is attending then why were DK & JS inducted if they weren't attending? Thus, there must be more to it then just this. JMHO though.

John

[wetcamelfood]

I'm wondering how to feel about the induction now, I mean, if the petition doesn't work we'll feel we weren't heard and if it works, is he in because they genuinely had a change or heart or are they just caving to pressure and inducting him to apease fans? Hate to be a bummer but just trying to head such feelings off at the pass.

John

[holidayroad]

I think RRHOF needs to change policies for good and admit every member of a band or just admit a band and not clarify anything about individual members. That's the fair way of doing things. Then if a member of a band had a very influential solo career, they could be admitted individually that way.

[WildHearted]

I signed the petition to show my support for the matter.

But quite frankly, I never expected the petition to actually do anything in terms of getting him in the RRHOF.

If it worked that way, we could just petition for FM to get all the past grammy's they were nominated for but did not recieve, etc etc.

[absinthe_boy]

I think with the RRHOF, it is the HOF people who choose which members of a band are inducted. It is then up to those individuals whether they turn up. In some cases inductees may be deceased.

So Fleetwood Mac themselves would have had little, if any, influence in who was inducted. Mick being the all round good guy he is, probably suggested Bob to the HOF people.

There was some controversy when Genesis were inducted as Anthony Phillips was not inducted. He only played on their first two albums, neither of which was a hit, but he wrote most of their early songs and a great deal of material that would continue appearing on Genesis LP's long after he left. He was the bedrock of the band in its formative years and without him Genesis wouldn't have ever got off the ground or on the road.

With Bob Welch, he didn't play on any massive hit records or write any huge hit singles for Fleetwood Mac...and sometimes the Welch era is overlooked compared to those before it (Green and Buckingham/Nicks). But Bob was very much the glue that held Fleetwood Mac together during some difficult years, he contributed some great songs and the Mac actually had their most consistent albums at that point.

Without Bob there would have been no Buckingham/Nicks or future Fleetwood Mac...the effort he put in should not go unrecognised just because it didn't sell millions.

But as far as the RRHOF goes, perhaps he doesn't fit their criteria...whatever they are.

Can that be changed retrospectively? Probably not...for it would require the HOF people to admit they were wrong in 1998. And that will not happen.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by holidayroad

I think RRHOF needs to change policies for good and admit every member of a band or just admit a band and not clarify anything about individual members. That's the fair way of doing things. Then if a member of a band had a very influential solo career, they could be admitted individually that way.

I understand what you're saying, but it's not as nice for every band. Fleetwood Mac has never had less than two vocalists, had a history of gradual personnel changes, and was kept together by the namesakes, who were not the singers or writers.

But what about a band like the Guess Who? The band broke up when Burton Cummings, the only lead vocalist the band had, quit. Then bassist Jim Kale registered the name and put out subsequent versions of the Guess Who and at one point even let the band play gigs without him (read: there were no original or subsequent Cummings-era members of the band). Are we really to think that the members of the Kale lead bands are relevant?

[BombaySapphire3]

I thought that the reason that Bob wasn't inducted is because Christine refused to share a stage with him?

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

But what about a band like the Guess Who? The band broke up when Burton Cummings, the only lead vocalist the band had

Technically, no. Chad Allan was the original Guess Who lead vocalist. Burton Cummings initially joined as keyboardist & part time co-lead vocalist. Chad Allan later quit and Cummings took over lead vocals full-time.

[holidayroad]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I understand what you're saying, but it's not as nice for every band. Fleetwood Mac has never had less than two vocalists, had a history of gradual personnel changes, and was kept together by the namesakes, who were not the singers or writers.

But what about a band like the Guess Who? The band broke up when Burton Cummings, the only lead vocalist the band had, quit. Then bassist Jim Kale registered the name and put out subsequent versions of the Guess Who and at one point even let the band play gigs without him (read: there were no original or subsequent Cummings-era members of the band). Are we really to think that the members of the Kale lead bands are relevant?

I do understand your point. Still, I'd rather have some people who didn't deserve it get in than to have someone who Did deserve it get left out.

[dreamer6861]

*** VIA : WENDY WELCH *** RE: BOB WELCH for the RRHOF ~ Wendy Welch
March 13 near Nashville, TN
Well, I got another worthless email from Mick tonight, just giving me the run around once again, like I still fall for it. Basically he's just too busy and has turned the problems over to his management company, which I will believe when I see it. He told me they were taking care of it 6 months ago. Obviously not! The last two messages from him before that were in December where he said he couldn't get reception in the mountains and would get to me when he get back with good things and then in January where he was so busy doing press releases in Europe and would get back to me regarding the Tribute Album and the RRHOF. How much of this being manipulated and being shined on should I take. And he just had Christine playing with him in Hawaii. Who does he think he's kidding when he ends each email with how much he loves me and Bob. I could go on and on about his emails, but they're all the same bs.

Please keep sending emails saying this is not acceptable. I beg of you, Welch Warriors.

[HomerMcvie]

I've thought of doing this ^^^ too, but I'm not sure it's cool to lift her exact posts from FB, and repost them here. I would actually think not...

[HejiraNYC]

Well she's coming across a bit snooty and entitled. Gift horse much? The bottom line is that Mick doesn't owe Wendy squat, and whatever he is or is not doing in Bob's memory is a charitable gesture that Mick can effect whenever he gets around to it. So she should put on her big girl britches and just be appreciative. I am sure she is not currying any favor from Mick by airing her dirty laundry with him in a public forum.

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by dreamer6861

Please keep sending emails saying this is not acceptable. I beg of you, Welch Warriors.

I know Wendy is having a hard time, and anyone who has lost a loved one can attest to that... but you know, her seeming attitude in the messages she's posting is not helping her cause. It certainly doesn't make me want to help her when I read stuff like that.

[redbird]

I can understand her frustration and despondency, it doesn't make me think Bob deserves to be in the HoF any less. To me it doesn't seem like Bob's only claim to inclusion is Mick's good graces, rather it's Mick's (or someone's) lack of fairness that's resulted in him not being where he deserves. Without really needing to cast anyone as a villain, I hope she gets this for Bob.