Post- Mac gigs

[dino]

On the excellent site http://www.marmalade-skies.co.uk/,
these gigs Green played after he left the band are documented:
The Garage Club, Barnet 14/06/70
Night Angel Club, London 13/06/70
Windsor Festival 08/08/70
Roundhouse, London 13/12/70
Hampstead Country Club 18/12/70

Sadly no one seems to remember these gigs. Wonder if they were with Nick Buck.

[sharksfan2000]

Nice find, Dino! Not the most user-friendly website, but looks like some interesting info on there.

Nice ad for the Green Manalishi single in there too: http://www.marmalade-skies.co.uk/may1970.htm

[slipkid]

That's a great website. So many bands that are long forgotten today.

Here are some things Mac related:

[sharksfan2000]

Green didn''t actually play the 8/8/70 festival (although his name is shown on the flyer reproduced on the website). Christopher Hjort's book notes that Green told Melody Maker that he "chickened out". Those two June gigs are described in Hjort's book, and the book specifically mentions Nick Buck playing with Peter on the 14th. It's not clear from the book whether Peter actually played that 13 December show, but the 18 December one sounds like it was his last live performance of the period.

Of course, Green also played the Bath Festival on 27 June, as part of John Mayall's band.

Judging from Hjort's book, it seems that Peter was rumored to appear at a number of shows during 1970 that he either was never really booked for or that he backed out of. There's a show listed in the book that was at the 100 Club in London on 25 August, but again the book doesn't make it clear whether Peter actually played or not (and it may well be that there wasn't any more info about whether he played). Another appearance noted in the book was Peter jamming with the group Noir at the Roundhouse on London in early July.

But Hjort's book notes that few of Peter's appearances during this period were announced to the press, and there was little formal scheduling of shows. There may well have been more shows than have been documented, but it appears that he played very few dates after leaving Fleetwood Mac.

One more appearance of note in 1970, again mentioned in Hjort's book - Peter happened to be in New Orleans visiting Nick Buck in early November, and the Allman Brothers invited him to jam with them at their show at the Warehouse on the 7th. What a shame Dinky Dawson wasn't there to record that!

[Mario]

Originally Posted by sharksfan2000

Green didn''t actually play the 8/8/70 festival (although his name is shown on the flyer reproduced on the website). Christopher Hjort's book notes that Green told Melody Maker that he "chickened out". Those two June gigs are described in Hjort's book, and the book specifically mentions Nick Buck playing with Peter on the 14th. It's not clear from the book whether Peter actually played that 13 December show, but the 18 December one sounds like it was his last live performance of the period.

Of course, Green also played the Bath Festival on 27 June, as part of John Mayall's band.

Judging from Hjort's book, it seems that Peter was rumored to appear at a number of shows during 1970 that he either was never really booked for or that he backed out of. There's a show listed in the book that was at the 100 Club in London on 25 August, but again the book doesn't make it clear whether Peter actually played or not (and it may well be that there wasn't any more info about whether he played). Another appearance noted in the book was Peter jamming with the group Noir at the Roundhouse on London in early July.

But Hjort's book notes that few of Peter's appearances during this period were announced to the press, and there was little formal scheduling of shows. There may well have been more shows than have been documented, but it appears that he played very few dates after leaving Fleetwood Mac.

One more appearance of note in 1970, again mentioned in Hjort's book - Peter happened to be in New Orleans visiting Nick Buck in early November, and the Allman Brothers invited him to jam with them at their show at the Warehouse on the 7th. What a shame Dinky Dawson wasn't there to record that!

And he certainly did some studio recordings with the Allman Brothers Band....so maybe one they will see the light of the day....!!!

Mario.

[slipkid]

Originally Posted by Mario

And he certainly did some studio recordings with the Allman Brothers Band....so maybe one they will see the light of the day....!!!

Mario.

He did? I've read that somewhere before. Do you know the time period?


BTW, I noticed on a previous picture I attached that Fleetwood Mac were headliners on a bill that featured Deep Purple. Peter Green, and Ritchie Blackmore on the same night at the same venue?

[sharksfan2000]

Slipkid, there was some info about this that I'd come across and I posted about a few years back:
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=15619

Sure hope this does actually exist and is released one of these days!

[slipkid]

Originally Posted by sharksfan2000

Slipkid, there was some info about this that I'd come across and I posted about a few years back:
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=15619

Sure hope this does actually exist and is released one of these days!

Now I remember reading that scanning old threads months ago.

I guess if those sessions took place it was just after Green jammed with the Allmans in New Orleans 1970.

[monkeydevil]

This is a great thread!

Mario - do you have any more knowledge about the studio tapes with the Allmans and PG? Quality, quantity, who has the rights, has somebody heard them...?

Here's the poster for the show that Peter supposedly appeared at:

[dino]

Theere was apparently also a gig at Marquee in London on June 24, 1970:
http://www.themarqueeclub.net/1970

Little Free Rock, who played on the same date, did some sessions with Green on his planned solo album, as mentioned before. Maybe also Ginger Johnson’s African Drummers, who may be the "african drummers" Green refers to in Martin Celmins' book.

[sharksfan2000]

Originally Posted by dino

Theere was apparently also a gig at Marquee in London on June 24, 1970:
http://www.themarqueeclub.net/1970

Little Free Rock, who played on the same date, did some sessions with Green on his planned solo album, as mentioned before. Maybe also Ginger Johnson’s African Drummers, who may be the "african drummers" Green refers to in Martin Celmins' book.

Dino, once again Hjort's book sheds light on this - Green dropped out of this gig after getting involved in a dispute about payment for the musicians playing with Ginger Johnson. Apparently Green said that if Johnson was playing this gig, then he would not be, so he never appeared at this show (and according to the book, the same is true of a show they were supposed to have shared at the Lyceum, though it doesn't mention a date for that one).

[dino]

I have to get that book!
Thanks, Sharksfan

[monkeydevil]

Some memories from the night the Allmans jammed with Peter Green at the Warehouse the 7th november 1970
http://www.blackstrat.net/Allman-Aud...an-Audubon.htm

"I was there!

Three of us hitchhiked down from USM in Hattiesburg. It was a typical
New Orleans weekend. We met up with friends in the quarter and asked
what was happening in town. They said the Allman Brothers were playing at the
Warehouse. We caught the purple warehouse bus from the quarter. Luckily
we saw a friend in line and borrowed the $3 admission fee. ABB opened
for Procol Harum. Most of the crowd saw that from the floor, Acapulco
Gold was in town! Through the whole set, a long haired skinny dude in a
paisley silk shirt was up and dancing the whole time. PH came on and
played a fantastic set. By the end only about 100 people were left, all
right up by the stage. They came back for five encores, the last being
Whiter Shade of Pale. After their set, they started setting up the ABB
equipment again. Jam! The bros came on stage with the skinny dude in the
paisley shirt - Peter Green! They played The Mountain Jam from 12:30 to
3:30, when the drummers all collapsed on their kits. Duane turned around
and looked, turned back to the mic and said "we would like to keep
playing, but we don't have any drummers!" "
-Butch Ammons

Having been to most of the Allman Bros. concerts at the Warehouse, I
always felt like the band had turned another corner in Nov. of '70 when
they opened for Procol Harum. Hailed before their first concert at the
Warehouse (in March of '70) as an "experimental blues band", I tried to
understand just what that meant, although it sounded very promising. I
suppose I conjured up images of free-form improvisational blues-rock
jamming with Grateful Dead influences but didn't really know what form it
would take. By the time I saw them in person, I got the message.

Here was a hungry, egoless music entity blowing people's minds but acting
like they were really privileged to have an audience listening to them.
Could this really be? Duane would always say unassumingly after their
first "structured set", "We're gonna go drink a beer, and if there's
anybody still here, we'll play some more". And play they always did.

So anyway, they opened for Procol Harum in fine fashion, but I noticed a
subtle change in how they were projecting. They kind of went from a dark
"experimental blues band" to more of a "good vibe" experimental blues
band. They played a great set and then Procol Harum came out & wowed the
audience. After the Procol Harum set, Duane & Dicky jammed with Peter
Green with only the guitars. It was a wonderful jam as I remember, Green
even slipping in his riff from "Oh Well" at one point.

But for some reason, the group of people I was with didn't stick around &
out & play again as someone described on this website previously. After
reading that account of the playing that followed, I'm sorry we did.
Although, we did get to hear them play their Mountain Jam set at the end
of the evening on many other occasions. It was always very special to
say the least.

In reference to Peter Green, I guess he had to get away from the "Green
Manalishi" (the evil greenback) shortly after this, putting out an album
called "The End of the Game" & giving up all his possessions for awhile.
To hear him at the height of his powers with Fleetwood Mac, check out
"Fleetwood Mac - Live in Boston" recorded in Feb. 1970 (and the studio
album, "Then Play On".) Fleetwood Mac also opened the Warehouse with the
Grateful Dead at just about that same point in time.

But all the Allman Bros. concerts at the Warehouse were the stuff of
legend. And rightfully so. Their selfless approach to the music to make
something bigger with the sum of the parts was truly in evidence here,
and this approach became the signature of a band that lives on to this
day after 40 years.

Larry Eagan

[doodyhead]

Thanks monkeydevil for those great quotes.
now to the question I asked in my first post on this site under my spouses name (because she had a valid email adress)
Whatever happened to the tapes of Duane Allman and Peter Green. The old thread cites that it was recorded by the legendary "Tom Dowd". They have never surfaced but it makes my eyes water just to think about it.

Especially after reading that it happened after Peters trip to New Orleans with Nick Buck where Peter met a "shaman" who told him to make peace with all people that he wronged in his life.

A mystery,

by doodyhead, mel and vinnie

[sharksfan2000]

Originally Posted by doodyhead

Thanks monkeydevil for those great quotes.
now to the question I asked in my first post on this site under my spouses name (because she had a valid email adress)
Whatever happened to the tapes of Duane Allman and Peter Green. The old thread cites that it was recorded by the legendary "Tom Dowd". They have never surfaced but it makes my eyes water just to think about it.

Especially after reading that it happened after Peters trip to New Orleans with Nick Buck where Peter met a "shaman" who told him to make peace with all people that he wronged in his life.

A mystery,

by doodyhead, mel and vinnie

A very good question, Vinnie. Just to refresh people's memories, this is the info I had read about 10 years ago on the old "Views for Greeny" board:

Capricorn records is said to have discovered numerous lost sessions featuring Duane Allman, Toy Caldwell, Eric Clapton, Dicky Betts, and Peter Green. Many vocal & guitar demos recorded by Green circa 1970 at Muscle Shoals are said to be incredible. A compilation CD featuring primarily Duane Allman will include some of the Green numbers plus a breathtaking acoustic guitar duel between Duane and Peter previously not known to exist. Apparently there is enough Green material to warrant a second release featuring just Peter.

According to Wikipedia, the Capricorn Records label was sold in 2001 to Zomba subsidiary Volcano Records and the artists who had been on it were dropped, transferred to Volcano, or dispersed to other labels. And the following year, Zomba was purchased by BMG. So at this point, it's anyone's guess as to who might have access to the Green/Allman tapes, if they still even exist (and if they ever really existed in the first place). Anyone got any suggestions on who (or even what record company) to contact to ask about this? Seems like it would be worth a try, anyway!