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[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Doesn't matter. Carter did the blanket pardon in '77, so even if they did find grounds, he'd be pardoned under the law.

Does that mean you forgive Nixon? As a wise professor of mine used to say - "just because you got some jackass to grant you a pardon doesn't mean you are not a criminal"

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
How do you know? THERE ARE NO RECORDS.

If W had been AWOL or a deserter, the NG would have been obligated to prosecute. They did not for whatever reason. Thus, the logical conclusion is they were satisfied with W's performance and without any evidence to the contrary, we cannot assume they were not.

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
Does that mean you forgive Nixon? As a wise professor of mine used to say - "just because you got some jackass to grant you a pardon doesn't mean you are not a criminal"

Actually, I do forgive President Nixon. In reality, he was one of the most liberal presidents we've had for the last forty years.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Actually, I do forgive President Nixon. In reality, he was one of the most liberal presidents we've had for the last forty years.

I actually did not mind Nixon, esp., his foreign policy.

I always wonder if Ticky Dick actually knew the extent of what they were doiong and what was really on those 17 (?) minutes of erased tape. I guess we will never know

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally posted by strandinthewind


I actually did not mind Nixon, esp., his foreign policy.

Nixon and Ford were both fairly moderate. I think Nixon's problem was that he had little confidence in himself. Ford's problem was he was Nixon's VP. In actuality, Ford had a lot of integrity.

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by strandinthewind
If W had been AWOL or a deserter, the NG would have been obligated to prosecute. They did not for whatever reason. Thus, the logical conclusion is they were satisfied with W's performance and without any evidence to the contrary, we cannot assume they were not.

Oh the other hand, don't you think if Bush's military service records were exemplary they'd be waving them in our face over and over? Of course they would. He's hiding something and in a case of classic addictive behavior, he thinks it's just going to go away if he ignores it long enough. He's a deserter.

[gldstwmn]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by strandinthewind


I actually did not mind Nixon, esp., his foreign policy.

I always wonder if Ticky Dick actually knew the extent of what they were doiong and what was really on those 17 (?) minutes of erased tape. I guess we will never know
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Oh, make no mistake, I minded Watergate and the dirty tricks. However, no one loves a peacemonger more than a liberal and Nixon spent a lot of time going around establishing diplomatic relations with other governments, ending the draft and the Viet Nam war. That's a pretty liberal policy for any Republican. He was also a true conservative in the sense that he wanted to give more power back to state and local governments. he was a million times brighter than that tree stump currently occupying the White House.

[gldstwmn]

Originally posted by GypsySorcerer
Nixon and Ford were both fairly moderate. I think Nixon's problem was that he had little confidence in himself. Ford's problem was he was Nixon's VP. In actuality, Ford had a lot of integrity.

I liked President Ford as well. Someone talked about Bush getting dealt a ****ty deck of cards. If anyone got that it was Ford. His wife also indirectly saved the life of Stevie Nicks. Gotta love 'em.

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Oh the other hand, don't you think if Bush's military service records were exemplary they'd be waving them in our face over and over? Of course they would. He's hiding something and in a case of classic addictive behavior, he thinks it's just going to go away if he ignores it long enough. He's a deserter.

I agree, he would be waiving them. But, that is not proof he was a deserter or at least proof that directly contradicts the NG having no apparent problem with his service record. It could be that he served his time in the NG but was not that stellar and they do not want to publicize that.

Again, I think he has lots to answer for in this area. I just think labelling him a deserter has no basis in the facts as we know them because the NG certainly prosecuted many deserters.

[strandinthewind]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by gldstwmn
[QUOTE]Originally posted by strandinthewind


I actually did not mind Nixon, esp., his foreign policy.

I always wonder if Ticky Dick actually knew the extent of what they were doiong and what was really on those 17 (?) minutes of erased tape. I guess we will never know

Oh, make no mistake, I minded Watergate and the dirty tricks. However, no one loves a peacemonger more than a liberal and Nixon spent a lot of time going around establishing diplomatic relations with other governments, endign the draft and the Viet Nam war. That's a pretty liberal policy for any Republican. He was also a true conservative in the sense that he wanted to give more power back to state and local governments. he was a million times brighter than that tree stump currently occupying the White House.

I agree. But, as my mother used to always tell me "You think you are so smart, but you still got caught!"

Yes. poor Ford. I mean he had no chance.

[gldstwmn]

Cheney is still being paid by Halliburton! I can't believe this!

http://www.workingforchange.com/arti...m?itemid=16385

[strandinthewind]

Originally posted by gldstwmn
Cheney is still being paid by Halliburton! I can't believe this!

http://www.workingforchange.com/arti...m?itemid=16385

He gets like several hundred thousand $$$ every year as deferred compensation. Also, he still own something like 433,000 stock options. So, although Cheney had to put all of this away while VP, he clearly still has a vested interest in it.