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Old 11-05-2012, 07:01 PM
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I think Fleetwood Mac (that incarnation with Rick & Billy) would've done a WHOLE LOT better version of "Whole Lotta Trouble" than what got unleashed upon the world on TOSOTM.

Yeah, "Rooms On Fire" would've been a good Fleetwood Mac song, too; but, I kind of like it the way it is. "The Second Time" is the only Stevie sung tune on BTM that I would ****-can. If they could've gotten "Paper Doll" ready in time, that would've been a great replacement.
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Old 11-05-2012, 07:51 PM
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If they could've gotten "Paper Doll" ready in time, that would've been a great replacement.
I always wondered who were the performing musicians on Paper Doll?
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Old 11-05-2012, 11:04 PM
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I always wondered who were the performing musicians on Paper Doll?
I thought I remembered people making a big deal over the fact that it had LB in addition to the whole BTM line-up on it.
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:58 AM
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I think Fleetwood Mac (that incarnation with Rick & Billy) would've done a WHOLE LOT better version of "Whole Lotta Trouble" than what got unleashed upon the world on TOSOTM.
Go figure. The ONE blues song she writes, and she does NOT use Mick, John, and Chris, who were British blues legends, or Rick, himself also an ex-Bluesbreaker. Really, you couldn't find more blues cred than what she had, and of course, she'd do the obvious and cut that as a solo artist...

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Yeah, "Rooms On Fire" would've been a good Fleetwood Mac song, too; but, I kind of like it the way it is. "The Second Time" is the only Stevie sung tune on BTM that I would ****-can. If they could've gotten "Paper Doll" ready in time, that would've been a great replacement.
Personally, I'm not a big fan of PD, either. I'm also not a fan of TOSOTM, save for a few songs. That whole era gave us a bunch of crap, and I can't listen to or watch any one release all the way through. "Rooms..." is a killer song, and I'd rather it had been released with the stronger FM material than solo, IMO. But, yeah, "The Second Time" is pretty terrible.

Honestly, though, I think they would've been best off if they had parted company with Stevie and Lindsey in 1980 and gotten together with Richard and Linda Thompson. The Thompsons needed a label and were in the process of splitting up, but were recording the brilliant "Shoot Out The Lights" album. Based on subsequent albums, it would have been much, MUCH better than what we got (especially by 1991, with RT's "Rumor and Sigh" and it's "1952 Vincent Black Lightning").
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Old 11-06-2012, 06:56 AM
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But, but, but - The Second Time is classic Stevie ballad in the tradition of Landslide, Storms, Beautiful Child, and so on. Sorrowful, moving, dramatic, and honest. I cannot for the life of me get the hate for it.

As for Paper Doll, well, my first encounter had me thinking "OK, it's finally over." Takes Stevie at her lyrical and melodically most desperate and adds layers of total goofiness. I like it now, but only as an artifact of how close she and the Mac once came to total collapse.
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But, but, but - The Second Time is classic Stevie ballad in the tradition of Landslide, Storms, Beautiful Child, and so on. Sorrowful, moving, dramatic, and honest. I cannot for the life of me get the hate for it.

As for Paper Doll, well, my first encounter had me thinking "OK, it's finally over." Takes Stevie at her lyrical and melodically most desperate and adds layers of total goofiness. I like it now, but only as an artifact of how close she and the Mac once came to total collapse.
You don't have to make excuses for yourself because of what songs you enjoy. Chili and Steve have songs on their lists that would make me want to vomit or choke myself. I enjoyed The Second Time back in the day and when I first heard Paper Doll I was a bit baffled but after a few listens I "got" it. I respect their right to despise a track that I may love and vice versa.
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Old 11-06-2012, 01:06 PM
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I loved Paper Doll, although I don't know if I would have liked it so much without the video, which definitely tugged at my heart strings.

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I thought I remembered people making a big deal over the fact that it had LB in addition to the whole BTM line-up on it.
Yes, he was said to be on it. I wish the liner notes had said. Of course, they like to keep those things secret, just like whose playing what on SYW. The audience need never know.

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Old 11-07-2012, 02:37 AM
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Yes, he was said to be on it. I wish the liner notes had said. Of course, they like to keep those things secret, just like whose playing what on SYW. The audience need never know.
Same thing goes for the actual concerts. Some parts are taped, which helps it sound more like the record, but TOTALLY kills the live experience (at least for me). Not only do I not care if it sounds just like the record, I don't expect or want it to. I like knowing that what I'm hearing is what is actually being played AND is the ONLY thing being played.

I've been on a big Richard Thompson kick lately, and his solo acoustic versions of "Dimming Of The Day" and "Who Knows Where The Time Goes", and even "I Feel So Good" just destroy me. Screw sounding just like the record. If I wanted to hear the record, I would've stayed home.
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Old 11-07-2012, 04:56 PM
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The only Stevie song I like from Tango to Street Angel is Blue Denim--and I like that song tremendously. But boy was she in a HUGE funk after Rock a Little. It showed in her appearance and in her music. Some people think her songs on Behind the Mask are really strong, but I can't listen to them. The only song on that album I can stand is Save Me and even that suffers from a generic arrangement (great vocal though).

Time is a much more rewarding album, IMO. Not perfect by a long shot, but loaded with strong material from Bekka and Billy. And a few fine Christine songs.
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The only Stevie song I like from Tango to Street Angel is Blue Denim--and I like that song tremendously. But boy was she in a HUGE funk after Rock a Little. It showed in her appearance and in her music. Some people think her songs on Behind the Mask are really strong, but I can't listen to them. The only song on that album I can stand is Save Me and even that suffers from a generic arrangement (great vocal though).

Time is a much more rewarding album, IMO. Not perfect by a long shot, but loaded with strong material from Bekka and Billy. And a few fine Christine songs.
Worst RAL - The Dance: Rooms on Fire, Rose Garden and Blue Denim. Honourable mention to 2 Kinds of Love and Affairs of the Heart.
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Personally, I'm not a big fan of PD, either.
I agree. I'm not fan of any of the "new" songs in 25 Years- The Chain. I guess it's probably that it wasn't a happy moment for any of the Rumours lineup songwriters, toward Fleetwood Mac. Wounds were still open, and probably there was anger and bitterness in the air. There can not be a good song within that environment.

The best novelty of the boxset was the alternate versions
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Wounds were still open, and probably there was anger and bitterness in the air. There can not be a good song within that environment.
It didn't seem to hold Rumours back.
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It didn't seem to hold Rumours back.
Oh yes, but that was another moment. By those years they were fresh, they wanted to write good songs, they wanted to be a great band. The wounds were within the couples. But they still enjoyed to be Fleetwood Mac, I think.

But in the early 90s, I think everybody was upset with each other, not just with the ex bf, gf, exhusband, etc. And tired of Fleetwood Mac.

As I read, Chris & Stevie were upset with Mick about what he said in his autobiography (1991). Did they want to help Mick again? I don't think so. Did they want to be part of Fleetwood Mac? Probably not. The girls just had left the BTM tour, according to Mick because they "felt like continuing the pressure and the pace that went along with life in Fleetwood Mac", but who knows.
Bob Brunning wrote also that Christine didn't socialise that much with Stevie during the 80s: "she seems to have developed her own fantasy world somehow, which i'm not part of"

I think they were in that moment, as Stevie said in the Making Rumours (Classic albums) video , there were times when they didn't want to see each other. After the Clinton show, Christine was interviewed: "It was a one-off thing, and I don't think anyone thought much beyond that show. At the airport as we left to come back to L.A., it was pretty much, ´Well, see you around'."

So that's why I thought nothing really great could come.
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By all accounts since, the book was little more than a distraction/annoyance to everybody.

It has since been well documented that the death of Christine's father is what made her decide to retire from the road. Stevie, who apparently was already feeling uneasy about being in the band without Lindsey, didn't want to be the sole singer/songwriter from the "Rumours" band still fronting the band at shows. The initial plan was that the girls would still record with the band, but the men of the Mac would tour without them. However, Rick Vito quit the band, and then Stevie. Rick has never really given his reason for leaving the band. Stevie, OTOH, stated that it was a dispute over "Silver Springs" that did it for her.

I don't think Christine had any real issue with Mick or John at the time, and even played the Super Bowl pre-game show a few weeks after the Clinton thing. The only time she really expressed any displeasure with the band was after Dave Mason was brought on board, and even then she did the "Time" album.
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By all accounts since, the book was little more than a distraction/annoyance to everybody.

It has since been well documented that the death of Christine's father is what made her decide to retire from the road. .
That's brand new to me. Where did you read (or see) that? Where is it documented?

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I don't think Christine had any real issue with Mick or John at the time, and even played the Super Bowl pre-game show a few weeks after the Clinton thing. The only time she really expressed any displeasure with the band was after Dave Mason was brought on board, and even then she did the "Time" album.
I'm not sure.. At the Classic Albums- Making Rumours video, she said about Mick that he was a "little" daddy for a while, but now (1997) he is again a big daddy. That sounded to me like a complaint to him. Of course it's just my perception and can't relate it to The Chain boxset days, but it sounded that there were issues at some moment.
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