I do not blame Air Tran one bit - Page 2

Serrart · #16 01-23-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

I am unsure exactly how they would "handle it" if they aren't really supposed to interfere. It looks like they gave the family 15 minutes or so to handle it themselves. That should be plenty of time, IMO.

I think this story gives the image of a giant with feet of clay. You just cut and repay what doesn't work as rules said instead of working out on a solution.

Romy

amber · #17 01-23-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Serrart

I think this story gives the image of a giant with feet of clay. You just cut and repay what doesn't work as rules said instead of working out on a solution.

Romy

True. And that is better, because god knows how many lawsuits the airline would get if they started doing anything at all with people's kids in any way at any time. Which is perfect, as beyond flying the kids, the kids are not their responsibility.

Serrart · #18 01-23-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

True. And that is better, because god knows how many lawsuits the airline would get if they started doing anything at all with people's kids in any way at any time. Which is perfect, as beyond flying the kids, the kids are not their responsibility.

Yes, but they're a service, they have to fly people (and their children) who pay the ticket but they didn't in that case. What if Airlines started to cut out other categories of people because they aren't in their standards?

Who puts the limits?

Romy

carrie721 · #19 01-23-2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Serrart

Yes, but they're a service, they have to fly people (and their children) who pay the ticket but they didn't in that case. What if Airlines started to cut out other categories of people because they aren't in their standards?

Who put the limits?

Romy

the family wasn't removed because they had a child, they were removed because their child was unruly and wouldn't allow them to take off. they do provide a service, but they are not obligated to fly people who don't abide by their rules. airlines also disallow people to fly for breaking other rules, like drinking before they are scheduled to fly. it's about the behavior, it's not discrimination.

amber · #20 01-23-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Serrart

Yes, but they're a service, they have to fly people (and their children) who pay the ticket but they didn't in that case. What if Airlines started to cut out other categories of people because they aren't in their standards?

Who put the limits?

Romy

The only limit they impose is that everyone is in their seat for take off. I don't think this is a case of "where to draw the line". If an adult wasn't in their seat at takeoff, they should have to leave the plane, too. It's not unreasonable to ask everyone to be in their seat, child or not, and it isn't exclusionary to take anyone off the plane who wasn't in their seat. Heck, they gave the parents several minutes. I don't think someone not being in their seat is a "category of person" so much as a "category of rules that has to be followed by everyone".

Serrart · #21 01-23-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

the family wasn't removed because they had a child, they were removed because their child was unruly and wouldn't allow them to take off. they do provide a service, but they are not obligated to fly people who don't abide by their rules. airlines also disallow people to fly for breaking other rules, like drinking before they are scheduled to fly. it's about the behavior, it's not discrimination.

Their child was unruly? You mean she skipped the how to fly correctly lesson? Zero tolerance in US for the three year olds?

Romy

carrie721 · #22 01-23-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Serrart

Their child was unruly? You mean she skipped the how to fly correctly lesson? Zero tolerance in US for the three year olds?

Romy

yeah, i think hitting your parents and refusing to sit in your seat is unruly. so sue me.

oh wait, that's such an "american" thing, nevermind. sorry to offend your much more patient and kind european sensibilities ...

c'mon.

Serrart · #23 01-23-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

yeah, i think hitting your parents and refusing to sit in your seat is unruly. so sue me.

oh wait, that's such an "american" thing, nevermind. sorry to offend your much more patient and kind european sensibilities ...

c'mon.

I don't think it's much about European sensibilities (it's a well hidden secret: we haven't none actually, and save our faces importing them from China

) but more about American paradoxes. After all it went in the news even in your Country so I guess not everybody considered what happened so normal.

Romy

carrie721 · #24 01-23-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Serrart

I don't think it's much about European sensibilities (it's a well hidden secret: we haven't none actually, and save our faces importing them from China

) but more about American paradoxes. After all it went in the news even in your Country so I guess not everybody considered what happened so normal.

Romy

i don't think it's "normal"; it certainly doesn't happen every day. but i do think it's reasonable. i mean, you said you thought they should've been able to reach a solution - what kind of solution are you suggesting? i'm not trying to be an asshole, i'm really curious. because aside from giving the family extra time to get their child to sit, which they did, what else could they do?

HomerMcvie · #25 01-23-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

i don't think it's "normal"; it certainly doesn't happen every day. but i do think it's reasonable. i mean, you said you thought they should've been able to reach a solution - what kind of solution are you suggesting? i'm not trying to be an asshole, i'm really curious. because aside from giving the family extra time to get their child to sit, which they did, what else could they do?

Exactly. The are ever more strict rules for flying, now. If a parent can't control his/her child, then they must exit the plane. Seems pretty simple to me. And delaying flights as a result of the child, certainly isn't fair to the other passengers.
Maybe the airline should provide duct tape, free of charge.

Serrart · #26 01-23-2007, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

i don't think it's "normal"; it certainly doesn't happen every day. but i do think it's reasonable. i mean, you said you thought they should've been able to reach a solution - what kind of solution are you suggesting? i'm not trying to be an asshole, i'm really curious. because aside from giving the family extra time to get their child to sit, which they did, what else could they do?

Waiting till the child was calm enough to be seated by their parents, maybe helping them to distract her, instead of creating more tension in front of the child who clearly was frightened?

Romy

michelle2677 · #27 01-23-2007, 07:47 PM

there is nothing I hate more than trying to calm my patient's CHILD down while I'm trying to work and do my job. It's not my responsibility to do a little jig, hold up flashcards, and do magic tricks to calm YOUR child down.

It takes away from the real duties I'm supposed to be doing-which doesn't include "babysitting"

amber · #28 01-23-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Serrart

Waiting till the child was calm enough to be seated by their parents, maybe helping them to distract her, instead of creating more tension in front of the child who clearly was frightened?

Romy

They already waited. They were already late.

Serrart · #29 01-23-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

They already waited. They were already late.

Well, it can happen, it's not a crime to be late if there's a problem. I'm not a parent but it wouldn't have been terrible for me to wait till the child was calm, imperfection is part of life, right? And according to what the parents say the passengers weren't particularly troubled from all this.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/AmericanFa...2815486&page=1

Romy

gldstwmn · #30 01-23-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by carrie721

i think there's a huge difference between 17 mos and 3 yrs ... and there's also a huge difference between a child getting bored/frustrated on an airplane and a child out of control to such a degree that she's hitting her own parents.

I guess my question is why wasn't at least one of the parents sitting with the child?