What.....is going on with Fleetwood mac?

[Test4echo]

Ok, I'm guess i'm gonna be cast as a troll here and thats ok.

I've listened to every boot and every clip from all the shows i've heard so far.
Not only that but my experiences seeing them in Detroit and Toronto.

This is NOT the Fleetwood Mac I remember from SYW or the Dance.
They are constantly out of Key, out of sync, out of.......of something.
I had hoped it was because the tour was just beginning, but so far...blah.

Lindsy sounds as though he talking/screaming most of the time trying hard to just make it through vocally.
His guitar playing while much, much better still sounds very "tribute band" with notes and runs he ought not be missing....but he is.
I'm not talking about changing up the arraignment either, I'm talking about wrong notes/sour notes....I just don't get it.

Stevie, well no need to really explain whats happening to her. Just abysmal.
Out of all the tracks on the set list, only 3 stand out as Energetic or sung with that Stevie vigor.
Why she couldn't sing the rest like she sang Storms...I dunno.

Am I being to harsh?
I don't think so....
I'm sorry but i'm pissed off.

The TO show drove me over the edge.
I thought the Detroit show wasn't all that great and to experience the TO show was just such a "shake your head" and wonder moment. It was worse.

I LOVE Fleetwood Mac and it pains me to no end to have to say it.

At $150 a seat this show is just not worth it if your going for quality or musicianship.
I am glad I went, but only for the chance to say, I saw Mac on the last tour they ever did.......

test,

[DigYourGrave]

Originally Posted by Test4echo

Lindsy sounds as though he talking/screaming most of the time trying hard to just make it through vocally.
His guitar playing while much, much better still sounds very "tribute band" with notes and runs he ought not be missing....but he is.

Stevie, well no need to really explain whats happening to her. Just abysmal.

wait.. shush....
Do you hear that?
Its the sound of a thousand feathers being ruffled...

Oh my goodness! Are you serious??
I think they sound great, and while I havent seen em (yet.. roll on the summer.) I don't think they're as bad as you're making em out to be.


Stevie? Abysmal? That is a bit harsh really. I know the opening shows were "meh", putting it nicely, but think she has settled really really well and has that charm we havent seen in years! I'm loving Stevie! I think she's rising to the occasion every time!

And as for Lindsey, well, yes, I was one of the first to say I thought he was being a bit harsh with the decibel level of his voice.. Screeching rather than singing really. But I still think he's ripping up that stage like he hasn't done for ages! Just look at his reviews! All those journalists can't be wrong.. can they? His playing is epic!!

[HejiraNYC]

^^I think you are entitled to your opinions, some of which are valid. But do you have anything positive to say? Did everything suck?

[kak125]

i was at the first show in pittsburgh and i thought they sounded great and even better to me than the syw tour. of course stevie could have had more energy but it must have been opening night jitters because all of her performances i see posted on youtube she seems much more lively. i really enjoyed the show without all those extra backup musicians as well.
i hope they do another round of dates after this set because they freaking rock!

[kennation]

Originally Posted by Test4echo

Ok, I'm guess i'm gonna be cast as a troll here and thats ok.

I've listened to every boot and every clip from all the shows i've heard so far.
Not only that but my experiences seeing them in Detroit and Toronto.

This is NOT the Fleetwood Mac I remember from SYW or the Dance.
They are constantly out of Key, out of sync, out of.......of something.
I had hoped it was because the tour was just beginning, but so far...blah.

Lindsy sounds as though he talking/screaming most of the time trying hard to just make it through vocally.
His guitar playing while much, much better still sounds very "tribute band" with notes and runs he ought not be missing....but he is.
I'm not talking about changing up the arraignment either, I'm talking about wrong notes/sour notes....I just don't get it.

Stevie, well no need to really explain whats happening to her. Just abysmal.
Out of all the tracks on the set list, only 3 stand out as Energetic or sung with that Stevie vigor.
Why she couldn't sing the rest like she sang Storms...I dunno.

Am I being to harsh?
I don't think so....
I'm sorry but i'm pissed off.

The TO show drove me over the edge.
I thought the Detroit show wasn't all that great and to experience the TO show was just such a "shake your head" and wonder moment. It was worse.

I LOVE Fleetwood Mac and it pains me to no end to have to say it.

At $150 a seat this show is just not worth it if your going for quality or musicianship.
I am glad I went, but only for the chance to say, I saw Mac on the last tour they ever did.......

test,

With that negative outlook you will fit right in here on The Ledge...

I have no clue what you are talking about as far as Detroit goes. I was there, front row, center and heard everything. There were a few spots... Seriously, like two or three that seemed a bit off, but they rocked. They were awesome. I appreciate your opinion, but in true KENNATION fashion- I gotta say, I think you're wrong. LOL

No, but really I thought Detroit was fantastic. I thought they did a lot better than Pitts... Not that they were terrible in Pittsburgh, but- one man's opinion is his opinion.

[macpai]

I too don't have the same viewpoint as you.

As my non-FM b/f puts it, Lindsey is outplaying the original material by a longshot. Now I don't quite agree with it that far, but he is masterfully performing right now and a soulless tribute band could hardly do likewise.

Yeah, it's different than the others. It's supposed to be.

[JbbyStew86]

I thought for an opening night, Pittsburgh was a phenominal show in its own right. I think Lindsey is playing with tenfold the passion he did during Say You Will, probably because of the GoS Tour and solo work. I think everything about this tour is better, even down to the stage setup and the reduced support size. Granted I only saw them on opening night, but in theory, it should only get better from there on.

[SandyMac]

Test,

You are an audiophille right? I might be coming at this from a different angle than you are, but if you judge solely if a concert is musical perfection in hitting every note, cue, you will be disappointed. Live music lends itself to mistakes just like live theater. Blunders do happen from time to time and will be the first to admit that in some earlier songs this tour, Stevie was off key, or sounded a bit weak vocally, but don't dwell on that. I am looking at the big picture of Fleetwood Mac rocking out on stage and just having fun. We are all getting older and am sure it is hard for them to keep up this grueling schedule and be musically perfect each and every night.

Yes, it is a little sad seeing your favorite band age, but think they are doing it as gracefully and full of life as they can. I respect your opinion but I choose to look at the big rocking picture that is Fleetwood Mac and just enjoy their live music by dancing at concerts and just being totally happy to be hearing these wonderful songs.

Take care and hope you feel better about your experience as time goes on.

[StandbackStevie]

Originally Posted by Test4echo

Ok, I'm guess i'm gonna be cast as a troll here and thats ok.

I've listened to every boot and every clip from all the shows i've heard so far.
Not only that but my experiences seeing them in Detroit and Toronto.

This is NOT the Fleetwood Mac I remember from SYW or the Dance.
They are constantly out of Key, out of sync, out of.......of something.
I had hoped it was because the tour was just beginning, but so far...blah.

Lindsy sounds as though he talking/screaming most of the time trying hard to just make it through vocally.
His guitar playing while much, much better still sounds very "tribute band" with notes and runs he ought not be missing....but he is.
I'm not talking about changing up the arraignment either, I'm talking about wrong notes/sour notes....I just don't get it.

Stevie, well no need to really explain whats happening to her. Just abysmal.
Out of all the tracks on the set list, only 3 stand out as Energetic or sung with that Stevie vigor.
Why she couldn't sing the rest like she sang Storms...I dunno.

Am I being to harsh?
I don't think so....
I'm sorry but i'm pissed off.

The TO show drove me over the edge.
I thought the Detroit show wasn't all that great and to experience the TO show was just such a "shake your head" and wonder moment. It was worse.

I LOVE Fleetwood Mac and it pains me to no end to have to say it.

At $150 a seat this show is just not worth it if your going for quality or musicianship.
I am glad I went, but only for the chance to say, I saw Mac on the last tour they ever did.......

test,

Test,

I do feel that they are playing there best now every time i see them they never disappoint just saw them here in connecticut last saturday at Mohegan Sun Arena Casino and they rocked the house everyone was singing right with them to every song including me and they just went crazy on stage and gave it there all i though have to remember when you go to a show don't expect to see a show you exactly saw in the past but live for the moment and enjoy it before its gone im sorry they rocked the house and stevie and lindsey were in harmony the whole night im telling you my experience from the mohegan sun show. If you go into the show with a chip on your shoulder cause of the ticket prices then why did you bother to get a ticket cause if you go to any concert today by any other band they are in the average i would say also they are a legendary band so you will be paying a little bit more money to see a legendary band perform for almost 3 hours straight so you should have bought the cheaper seats prices if the price was a big issue and you shouldn't let that be a chip on your shoulder during the whole show i had a blast and would go see them again soon hope they extend there tour thru the fall and come around again. Britney spears and Madonna are over $300 a ticket for there shows i dont hear anyone complaining about there ticket prices even the eagles are pricer than FM so FM to me is bargain ticket price actually compared to other artists so to me its worth the money and they rocked at there best on this tour like they always do when i see them and when i see stevie solo.

[SteveMacD]

Hey, John McVie still kicks ass!

[justdreamin]

The Dance and SYW tours used a lot of smaller venues where getting the sound right is easier and almost every seat is a good seat as far as sound goes. They are starting off at some large venues and I don't know who's doing their sound, but even with sound checks, the EQ changes when the venue fills up. It takes a few dates to really get the kinks worked of not only vocal monitoring but also being able to hear yourself play. It's one thing to "play deaf" but it's much more difficult to play when there's a lot of echo, in the bigger venues, coming back at you. A player gets used to it with time. Also, depending on where you sat, you may not have had the ultimate experience!
You should go out to a date mid tour, see if there's any difference and report back.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by DigYourGrave

Stevie? Abysmal? That is a bit harsh really. I know the opening shows were "meh", putting it nicely, but think she has settled really really well and has that charm we havent seen in years! I'm loving Stevie! I think she's rising to the occasion every time!

Here's an interesting tidbit: I was at the tour opener for Tom Petty's tour a few years back here in Charlotte, and Stevie wasn't that way AT ALL! She was just grinning from ear to ear the whole time, dancing around stage, harmonizing with Tom, and she sounded and looked GREAT! Here she hadn't performed Insider with Tom (her musical idol) in something like 25 years at that point, and she pulled it off fantastically, without jitters. She just gets so weird around FM, and I don't get it. She's been performing with Lindsey and FM her whole adult life, well north of 40 years , and nearly 35 years now for the Mac. If it's that she truly doesn't enjoy it, she's made her money and mark with the band, and she should hang up her tambourine, and concentrate on her solo life. She still has a big fanbase, and obviously LOVES her life outside of the Mac. If she's so miserable, why does she keep flogging the dead horse?

I do have to agree about Lindsey's vocals and guitar work with the Mac the past 6 years too... his vocals are bad, and he fumbles a lot on the guitar. He's so much better solo too... I wonder what gives with this Mac pattern? Can they all make each other nervous still after all these years?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Here's an interesting tidbit: I was at the tour opener for Tom Petty's tour a few years back here in Charlotte, and Stevie wasn't that way AT ALL! She was just grinning from ear to ear the whole time, dancing around stage, harmonizing with Tom, and she sounded and looked GREAT! Here she hadn't performed Insider with Tom (her musical idol) in something like 25 years at that point, and she pulled it off fantastically, without jitters. She just gets so weird around FM, and I don't get it. She's been performing with Lindsey and FM her whole adult life, well north of 40 years , and nearly 35 years now for the Mac. If it's that she truly doesn't enjoy it, she's made her money and mark with the band, and she should hang up her tambourine, and concentrate on her solo life. She still has a big fanbase, and obviously LOVES her life outside of the Mac. If she's so miserable, why does she keep flogging the dead horse?

I do have to agree about Lindsey's vocals and guitar work with the Mac the past 6 years too... his vocals are bad, and he fumbles a lot on the guitar. He's so much better solo too... I wonder what gives with this Mac pattern? Can they all make each other nervous still after all these years?

I agree with you on the Tom Petty point, she was just so "ON". It rocked. Also, with Don Henly she was really in good forum as well (I thought). She did not look "un-happy" or "tired" or "board".

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I agree with you on the Tom Petty point, she was just so "ON". It rocked. Also, with Don Henly she was really in good forum as well (I thought). She did not look "un-happy" or "tired" or "bored".

I didn't get a chance to see her with Don, but those youtube videos of her singing New York Minute with him just give me chills. I wish she still sang like that on her own songs!

[TheScoop]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

I didn't get a chance to see her with Don, but those youtube videos of her singing New York Minute with him just give me chills. I wish she still sang like that on her own songs!

You missed out. The TV tour was truly magical. Say what you will about Don Henley, but he really brought out the best in Stevie. I haven't seen as much enthusiasm from her on stage before or since that tour.