Lincoln cut short. Mick very sick

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

On this site she is

NO! Really? On a fan site dedicated to a band she's been in off and on for 40 years? Really? You have to be $h*ttng me.

While the band could continue musically the tours would financially be a serious downgrade from what they are used to.

Ditto, if not more so for Stevie. Going from stadium tours to opening for Rod Stewart can't be fun.

Hoffs? What are they going to play Bangles tunes? I hope someone gets LB's reaction on video when he's told he has to play "Bangles" songs at a FM show

What's wrong with Bangles songs? Catchy hooks, lush harmonies. Somebody willing to make a record. All things Lindsey and the others seem to value. AND, she's recorded with Mick and Lindsey. Oh, and she can still do this...

[elle]

Originally Posted by annabellee

At best, they were a VERY talented all-girl cover band, but to compare them to anything related to Fleetwood Mac, Stevie, Christine, Lindsey, Mick, John or any past players of the band is incongruous. The Bangles have a Cyndi Lauper connection through the Goonies and some back up vocals. Again, comparing Cyndi to anything Mac related is apples to oranges.

exactly. for example, if we are talking about popularity contests and awards, Cyndi has 2 grammys and 2 AMAs, a Tony and an Emmy. FM have 1 grammy and 1 AMA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_Cyndi_Lauper

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker

Uhmmm, Cyndi Lauper may have leagues of talent, but she is *NOT* considered a big star any more.

She sells out arenas on her own, which is more than Stevie can say (outside of Fleetwood Mac, of course).

BTW, Stevie's a big star the same way Dolly Parton is a star.

As for "Hoffs," I literally have no idea who you're talking about.

She was in a band that's sold 23 million albums and sang lead vocals on seven Top 40 singles. Also, she's recorded with Mick and Lindsey. And, she plays songs by Big Star.

[elle]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

BTW, Stevie's a big star the same way Dolly Parton is a star.

except Dolly Parton sells arenas on her own. and headlines Glastonbury.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by annabellee

Eternal Flame has a cowrite by Hoffs.

One that topped the charts at that!

At best, they were a VERY talented all-girl cover band,

Except they wrote most of the songs on their albums.

but to compare them to anything related to Fleetwood Mac, Stevie, Christine, Lindsey, Mick, John or any past players of the band is incongruous.

Not that it matters, but how so? They sold 23 million albums and had seven Top 40 singles, almost all of which featured Susanna on lead vocals. I'm sure most members of Fleetwood Mac, and even the core members on their projects outside of Fleetwood Mac, would LOVE those numbers.

[elle]

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

On this site she is

exactly - just another proof that majority opinions on this site are not very reflective of the band's vs individual members' popularity or general opinions out there.

[elle]

Originally Posted by nicepace

Is Steve's brief appearance on drums the first time ever that someone other than Mick Fleetwood played drums with Fleetwood Mac? (I mean, other than the backing drummers and percussionists they've been using for years.)

If so, this was truly a historic occasion, since Mick is the only band member who has been in the band from the very beginning and has played every gig.

cool - good point!

Originally Posted by Mr Scarrott

I don't think it's ever happened before in concert. Didn't it happen to John once when Rocky Burnette filled in for him due to illness? Was that on the Tusk tour?

Thinking off the top of my head, there have been occasions when Mick didn't play drums on FM records. I seem to recall that Lindsey said Mick (and John) "weren't really on" Without you. Then there's probably the odd track on Tusk and maybe even TITN on which Lindsey did everything. Going further back S P Leary played drums on some tracks on the Blues Jam at Chess Album including World's in a tangle. Technically, although FM got top billing, I think that album was credited to Various Artists (it is on the verson I've got, anyway) so maybe that doesn't count.

cool info! so it seems that live, this still may be the only occasion someone had to fill in for / instead of Mick!

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

If Fleetwood Mac weren't so lock-step and tight-knitted, they could ad-libbed the rest of the show in some manner. But they just don't have those abilities; once they go off script they get completely lost and then grind to a halt. They could have turned this into a historic show for all the right reasons. Lindsey could have done some solo numbers. Surely they must have some songs in their wheelhouse could perform. Aside from stripping down some of their set lists songs, they could have performed unrehearsed numbers. Surely they would be expected to sound rough and unpolished, but that would be the charm about it. They could have garnered suggestions -- taking requests and questions from the audience, making them part of the show. Turn it partly into a talent show, and call out members of the audience with specific skills. Just some ideas to fill the time.

Some artists have the skills of engagement, with the confidence to be impromptu. Tom Petty and Elvis Costello come to mind, though I know there are better examples. It's an arena of entertainment just doesn't suit Stevie and Lindsey; that level of exposure and looseness makes them uncomfortable. Neither of them have that kind of showmanship in them. The only band member who does is, ironically, Mick!

yes! all great points and interesting suggestions!

confidence plus the balance of roles in FM may be a a big part of what's holding them back. another reason why i prefer LB solo shows where he can go off script. plus i immensely enjoy pushing him in that direction much more than he seems to be comfortable with - because when it does happen it can be pretty spectacular. when we were at his 92Y q&a and he did Rock Away Blind live for the first time ever - after he had to re-tune his own guitar right in front of the whole audience - everyone there felt like we just witnessed something truly amazing. unfortunately it's so rare.

[Iktomi]

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

On this site she is

While the band could continue musically the tours would financially be a serious downgrade from what they are used to.

Hoffs? What are they going to play Bangles tunes? I hope someone gets LB's reaction on video when he's told he has to play "Bangles" songs at a FM show

On a fan-site, of course she's more popular, but she's still not bigger than the band. Stevie the person is more extroverted and puts herself out there more as a person. Of course people are going to be drawn to that. She purposefully gives people something to talk about in order to stay relevant. Marketing 101. However, that doesn't necessarily say anything about her status among the general public, or her stature as an artist. Several people that I don't find particularly talented musically happen to be the most popular artists. I think Stevie is talented, but popularity doesn't necessarily reflect merit or artistry. Nonetheless, no matter which way you cut it, what the casual populace thinks still matters more. As a relatively young person, more people know of Fleetwood Mac than they know of Stevie Nicks. Besides Mick, she's probably the only member they'd recognize, but they know her as part of a band called Fleetwood Mac...and I don't see people attributing songs like Don't Stop or GYOW to her. They know there are other members.

I didn't know who she was until I actually got into the band, and I say that as someone who only listened to oldies music as a child. The only solo song I was familiar with was Stop Dragging My Heart Around, and I only knew that because I recognized Tom Petty in the video. But the oldies stations in my area didn't play 80s music, and only played Fleetwood Mac songs (and while I knew several of their songs, I only knew GYOW, Rhiannon, and Don't Stop were by FM). Similarly, my nieces and nephews really only know Go Your Own Way and Don't Stop, but they only know of Fleetwood Mac because of Rock Band.

What I'm trying to get across is that just as much as the band needs her to fill out arenas, Stevie needs the band to continue to remain relevant, especially when her solo career needs a boost. When she's among legendary bands, I guarantee you, she's probably talking more about the band than her solo career, because she knows she is in "a band just as famous as theirs." Heck, even her friend Tom Petty said that as excellent as SN and LB's solo work has been, the band is still more exciting. As I've said before, Stevie is a great solo artist, but Fleetwood Mac has almost reached (or perhaps has reached) immortal status in terms of greatest bands of all-time. That's not something to belittle or scoff at.

They both need each other for different reasons...and Stevie knows this. She's a smart woman, and knows that associating with Fleetwood Mac is still a good move for herself and her image (not that's the only or main reason she's still in the band. I'm positive she's emotionally dedicated to them as well.) If she really wanted to, she could leave the band, but this idea that the band would suddenly start playing casinos and fairs is unfair to the brand and fans of the band. Would they be selling out arenas, no, but they'd still have relevancy and stature among fans, peers, and critics. Don't discredit the talents and respect that the four remaining members do have. They are highly respected artists, and Stevie's presence or absence doesn't take that away.

[Ghost_Tracker]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

She sells out arenas on her own, which is more than Stevie can say (outside of Fleetwood Mac, of course).

BTW, Stevie's a big star the same way Dolly Parton is a star.


She was in a band that's sold 23 million albums and sang lead vocals on seven Top 40 singles. Also, she's recorded with Mick and Lindsey. And, she plays songs by Big Star.

Which of course raises the question, "Who's 'Big Star?'"

[Ghost_Tracker]

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

How did a thread about Mick getting sick mutate into a debate about Stevie's relevance in the band? Whatever...

If Fleetwood Mac weren't so lock-step and tight-knitted, they could ad-libbed the rest of the show in some manner. But they just don't have those abilities; once they go off script they get completely lost and then grind to a

You know, everybody keeps talking about what they could have done.
But nobody seems to want to focus on what they should have done.
The name of the band is "Fleetwood Mac."

They're named after their bass guitar player, John McVie, and their drummer, Mick Fleetwood. Their leaders. Their friends. The ones who formed the band more than 47 years ago.

Like they said in "Jurassic Park," "Just because we CAN do a thing, does not mean that we MUST do a thing."

Just because they could have continued while their best friend, their leader, the founder of the band, was, at age 67, suddenly puking his guts up for unknown reasons, unable to perform for the first time ever in 48 years, about to be rushed to the hospital with symptoms which could potentially have been those of a heart attack, does not mean that they should have continued. And no offense but I bet you that any comments addressing this question from the other Four Fireflies would not be as lengthy, but would simply boil down to just two words.

Something to think about, z'all's I'm sayin'.

[bethelblues]

Originally Posted by elle

except Dolly Parton sells arenas on her own. and headlines Glastonbury.

Dolly Parton's net worth is greater than that of every member of Fleetwood Mac combined. Yup, more than 7x greater than Stevie's. Not that that necessarily indicates current stardom...Dolly's pretty much the richest woman in the music industry apart from Madonna, except she can claim being a great songwriter too.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker

You know, everybody keeps talking about what they could have done.
But nobody seems to want to focus on what they should have done.
The name of the band is "Fleetwood Mac."

They're named after their bass guitar player, John McVie, and their drummer, Mick Fleetwood. Their leaders. Their friends. The ones who formed the band more than 47 years ago.

Like they said in "Jurassic Park," "Just because we CAN do a thing, does not mean that we MUST do a thing."

Just because they could have continued while their best friend, their leader, the founder of the band, was, at age 67, suddenly puking his guts up for unknown reasons, unable to perform for the first time ever in 48 years, about to be rushed to the hospital with symptoms which could potentially have been those of a heart attack, does not mean that they should have continued. And no offense but I bet you that any comments addressing this question from the other Four Fireflies would not be as lengthy, but would simply boil down to just two words.

Something to think about, z'all's I'm sayin'.

I say ask the people who paid hundreds of dollars what they want.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker

Which of course raises the question, "Who's 'Big Star?'"

Wow. Just wow. That's something I'd have Googled before asking.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

On this site she is

While the band could continue musically the tours would financially be a serious downgrade from what they are used to.

Hoffs? What are they going to play Bangles tunes? I hope someone gets LB's reaction on video when he's told he has to play "Bangles" songs at a FM show

Hey my name is on the CMcVie thread!! yay!!!

[Ghost_Tracker]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I say ask the people who paid hundreds of dollars what they want.

I'd say they probably want Fleetwood Mac to return and give another show, which is what Stevie said was going to be the case.

I don't know why people are automatically assuming that that's not going to happen.

People get sick sometimes. Mick's not a robot.