FLeetwood Mac without Stevie

Chrislit18 · #1 05-28-2007, 10:40 AM

So, anyways, I was thinking this weekend, as per usual, and was wondering
'What would have been the outcome of Fleetwood Mac without Stevie?'
What I mean by that is, so say she did come in as she did with Lindsey in 1975, and she quit or something when her solo carrer took off...or even did'nt do the Dance...lets use the Dance.

I mean we've had Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey-TITN tour-the dance
Without Christine-Say You Will Tour

but never without Stevie..

so basically what I am saying is...if the lineup of Fleetwood Mac was:
Mick
John
Chris
and Lindsey

a)would you buy the record
b)would you go to the tour

any thoughts??

Gailh · #2 05-28-2007, 11:12 AM

By my reckonning we've had an FM album with Christine and Stevie but no Lindsey. We've had an FM album with Stevie and Lindsey but no Christine but we haven't had an FM with Christine and Lindsey but no Stevie.

It might be interesting.

Yes I'd buy the album and I'd go and see the tour. It would be quite nice to be transported to a parallel universe where Christine kept on touring.

Gail

louielouie2000 · #3 05-28-2007, 02:36 PM

In my opinion Fleetwood Mac would have kept trucking on with modest success without the advent of Stevie Nicks. They probably could have kept on through the 70s, and possibly well into the 80s, likely making minor or even major personnel changes along the way. The thing is, Stevie is the only member of the band that I can point to who really sticks out as having STAR POWER. That doesn't demean or belittle the accomplishments or talent of any member of the band past or present. However I believe, and always will, that Stevie Nicks really is what makes Fleetwood Mac what it is. She has an unforgettable voice, stage presence, style, and persona. She captured peoples hearts and imagination. She was extraordinarily beautiful, and she wrote about beautiful things. People just fall in love with everything she is. Without Stevie you'd have a fraction of the drama that led to Rumours, and the band's image of this crazy rock band. You wouldn't have the stories of Stevie's excesses in the 70s and 80s. Stevie on stage and off seems to be a fairly dramatic person... I'm sure she was a big part of the fuel of all the crazy things that the band did to itself in it's wilder years, all of which is why FM got such attention, and fame. I mean, you see what happened with Time, and the Time tour... the only venture the past 30 years that didn't include Stevie in some form or fashion. It completely tanked! As one writer wrote... "who gives a Tusk about Fleetwood Mac without Stevie Nicks?" While I adore every single member of the Rumours 5, and love Bob Welch and many others... when I go see a Mac show I go to see Stevie first and foremost. So does most of the audience... they STILL dress like her, sing along during her songs, she still gets the biggest cheers even if she's just walking onstage.

Just think about it this way... how would Fleetwood Mac have faired in the early years of MTV without Stevie? That completely turned rock music on it's head. You had to have someone who jumped out of the TV during your video to get any play. None of the other members of the band really stuck out like Stevie did. You could argue Stevie was the best and worst thing to ever happen to this band. She brought them huge success, notoriety, fame, etc... but with all of that comes a backlash as well. Some critics didn't take FM seriously because of her. No doubt Stevie also was a big part of Fleetwood Mac becoming more of a pop band than a blues-rock band too. I think Fleetwood Mac is STILL struggling to forge their identity as a rock band because of the inclusion of Stevie. You've gotta remember too that even during the mid 70s it was kind of taboo almost to have a rock band that expected to be taken seriously if you had multiple women in it. It's my opinion, and always will be tho... that Stevie Nicks is the best, biggest thing to ever happen to this band.

Gailh · #4 05-28-2007, 04:23 PM

There's no doubt that the introduction of Stevie and Lindsey propelled FM from being a moderately successful band into a Super Group.

It also didn't do any harm that Stevie was drop dead gorgeous.

I think it was the chemistry of the 5 of them together.

Buckingham Nicks were going nowhere and FM were stuck on a set number of sales per album. So it was a marriage made in heaven.

Stevie was not and is not the be all and end all of FM. Without the others input, especially Lindsey's production, her songs wouldn't have had the same impact. She needed them as much as they needed her.

Gail

TheWILDheart · #5 05-28-2007, 04:37 PM

Stevie was the one with the stand out personality. She was new and fresh at the time and was something different. Everyone else was sort of bland in comparison to her so she was a breath of fresh air. She was also one of the first women to really rock out rather than sing about how her man treats her bad but she loves him anyway. Stevie was the one to turn around and say "ya kno what, If my man treats me bad, f*ck him!" She was doing things HER way and that was...and still is...the coolest thing EVA! Plus...she had the looks, the voice, the songs, the style...everything. STEVIE IS THE ROCK QUEEN!

JazmenFlowers · #6 05-28-2007, 05:33 PM

a) no
b) no

foxyluva · #7 05-28-2007, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWILDheart

Stevie was the one with the stand out personality. She was new and fresh at the time and was something different. Everyone else was sort of bland in comparison to her so she was a breath of fresh air. She was also one of the first women to really rock out rather than sing about how her man treats her bad but she loves him anyway. Stevie was the one to turn around and say "ya kno what, If my man treats me bad, f*ck him!" She was doing things HER way and that was...and still is...the coolest thing EVA! Plus...she had the looks, the voice, the songs, the style...everything. STEVIE IS THE ROCK QUEEN!

I will say it again, because somebody took it upon themselves to delete my original post:

You sir, are an idiot.

shackin'up · #8 05-29-2007, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWILDheart

Stevie was the one with the stand out personality. She was new and fresh at the time and was something different. Everyone else was sort of bland in comparison to her so she was a breath of fresh air. She was also one of the first women to really rock out rather than sing about how her man treats her bad but she loves him anyway. Stevie was the one to turn around and say "ya kno what, If my man treats me bad, f*ck him!" She was doing things HER way and that was...and still is...the coolest thing EVA! Plus...she had the looks, the voice, the songs, the style...everything. STEVIE IS THE ROCK QUEEN!

HAHAHAHAHA

You are sooooooo funny.

I love it when people joke by exaggeration to the extreme. You are my humourGOD from now on.

Man, I almost p*ssed my pants here.

What a great joke!

Thanks!

Kelly · #9 05-29-2007, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWILDheart

Stevie was the one with the stand out personality. She was new and fresh at the time and was something different. Everyone else was sort of bland in comparison to her so she was a breath of fresh air. She was also one of the first women to really rock out rather than sing about how her man treats her bad but she loves him anyway. Stevie was the one to turn around and say "ya kno what, If my man treats me bad, f*ck him!" She was doing things HER way and that was...and still is...the coolest thing EVA! Plus...she had the looks, the voice, the songs, the style...everything. STEVIE IS THE ROCK QUEEN!

Everyone else was bland in comparison??

It was Lindsey's guitar playing that interested Mick, not Stevie's "fresh, new personality". They are all better with each other and none of them are as good alone. Not even the Goddess, Stevie. How many times has she said she prefers to be a part of the band, Fleetwood Mac, than do her solo thing??

BlackWidow · #10 05-31-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWILDheart

Stevie was the one with the stand out personality. She was new and fresh at the time and was something different. Everyone else was sort of bland in comparison to her so she was a breath of fresh air. She was also one of the first women to really rock out rather than sing about how her man treats her bad but she loves him anyway. Stevie was the one to turn around and say "ya kno what, If my man treats me bad, f*ck him!" She was doing things HER way and that was...and still is...the coolest thing EVA! Plus...she had the looks, the voice, the songs, the style...everything. STEVIE IS THE ROCK QUEEN!

love it...

xdreamsunwindx · #11 06-04-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWILDheart

STEVIE IS THE ROCK QUEEN!

Since when is Stevie Nicks the same person as Janis Joplin?

Rickypt · #12 05-29-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chrislit18

so basically what I am saying is...if the lineup of Fleetwood Mac was:
Mick
John
Chris
and Lindsey

a)would you buy the record
b)would you go to the tour

Yes, I would. I prefer Stevie solo and I think a Lindsey/Christine matchup would work better than SYW. Since Mirage, I have found Stevie's FM work to sound like solo songs anyway (with possible exception of Gypsy). Stevie will always be my favorite, but I could see getting into a FM with band members listed above.

chiliD · #13 05-29-2007, 01:53 PM

a) As long as it was new material by the band named "Fleetwood Mac", hell, yes I would buy it. I've bought every other official release of theirs. The only way I wouldn't is if either Neil Diamond or Barbra Streisand joined the band.

b) And, to keep my streak going of never missing a Fleetwood Mac tour since 1974, of COURSE I would go see their show...at least, one...maybe MORE, since Stevie WASN'T there and I wouldn't have to deal with the people who were there ONLY for Stevie...the people who WERE there would be those who are full-on Fleetwood Mac fans.

danax6 · #14 05-29-2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

b) And, to keep my streak going of never missing a Fleetwood Mac tour since 1974, of COURSE I would go see their show...at least, one...maybe MORE, since Stevie WASN'T there and I wouldn't have to deal with the people who were there ONLY for Stevie...the people who WERE there would be those who are full-on Fleetwood Mac fans.

So, as a rule, Stevie Nicks fans can't be full on Fleetwood Mac fans? I'm just trying to follow your line of reasoning here...

chiliD · #15 05-29-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by danax6

So, as a rule, Stevie Nicks fans can't be full on Fleetwood Mac fans? I'm just trying to follow your line of reasoning here...

No, that's not what I said. I already qualified it..."...wouldn't have to deal with the people who were there ONLY for Stevie...". If I went to see a Fleetwood Mac show that didn't have Stevie, then those Stevie Nicks fans who were there would MOST LIKELY also fit into the "Fleetwood Mac fan" demographic. Or, they didn't get the memo that Stevie wasn't in the band anymore.

After seeing Fleetwood Mac WITH Stevie around 50 times, it has appeared to me, more often than not, those who are there ONLY to see Stevie Nicks have little or no interest in what the band does when she's not singing one of her songs or if she doesn't have a major focal role in the background vocals. Just my own observation. If there was a scientific poll taken during those shows, I probably would be off on my calculations, but if it looks like a duck & quacks like a duck, logic prevails that it's a duck.