Who Wrote "Without You" (Coffee Plant demo)?

CADreaming · #1 07-27-2009, 06:50 AM

I don't think it's confirmed this was a "co-write".

David · #2 07-29-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CADreaming

I don't think it's confirmed this was a "co-write".

Yes, I'd like to hear more about the confirmation of that. I had no idea either singer had ever discussed it. As far as I know, it first showed up on "Almanac" around 1979, & that bootleg vinyl provided no clue.

Same goes for calling the whole batch the "coffee plant demos."

In my opinion, the chord progression seems well beyond Stevie by herself. The minor 7ths in "Cathouse Blues" also seem unlike her.

chiliD · #3 07-29-2009, 11:43 AM

Ahhh...if it weren't for the "(Coffee Plant Demo)" portion of the title, I was going to be a smart ass & say...

"Pete Ham & Tom Evans"

(of course, referring to the Badfinger song that Harry Nilsson covered and made into a huge hit)

PenguinHead · #4 07-29-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

Ahhh...if it weren't for the "(Coffee Plant Demo)" portion of the title, I was going to be a smart ass & say...

"Pete Ham & Tom Evans"

(of course, referring to the Badfinger song that Harry Nilsson covered and made into a huge hit)

I love Badfinger, especially their songs "No Matter What" and "Day After Day." The latter of which could have been a Christine McVie song.

snicksfan85 · #5 08-03-2009, 01:59 AM

According to the US Copyright Office, it's Stevie and Welsh Witch Music.

cbBen · #6 08-03-2009, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by snicksfan85

According to the US Copyright Office, it's Stevie and Welsh Witch Music.

Many thanks!

chiliD · #7 08-03-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead

I love Badfinger, especially their songs "No Matter What" and "Day After Day." The latter of which could have been a Christine McVie song.

No, couldn't be..."me" isn't in the title.

PenguinHead · #8 08-03-2009, 07:57 PM

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No, couldn't be..."me" isn't in the title.

It could modified! That song so suites her style and voice both musically and lyrically.

Me Day After Day

Day After Day Me

Day After Me Day

Day Me After Day

elle · #9 11-01-2018, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Yes, I'd like to hear more about the confirmation of that. I had no idea either singer had ever discussed it. As far as I know, it first showed up on "Almanac" around 1979, & that bootleg vinyl provided no clue.

Same goes for calling the whole batch the "coffee plant demos."

In my opinion, the chord progression seems well beyond Stevie by herself. The minor 7ths in "Cathouse Blues" also seem unlike her.

i sometimes wonder whether many of the BN era songs that made it to FM albums were really cowrites with Lindsey writing a lot of music, but he never cared to demand a credit.

kinda similar to him being a producer or co-producer on Rumours and expecting the band would be fair, recognize his work and give him producing credit, but they never did.

cbBen · #10 11-01-2018, 09:54 PM

"Without You" credited to Stevie Nicks on Extended Play: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extend...etwood_Mac_EP)

bombaysaffires · #11 11-02-2018, 12:15 AM

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i sometimes wonder whether many of the BN era songs that made it to FM albums were really cowrites with Lindsey writing a lot of music, but he never cared to demand a credit.

kinda similar to him being a producer or co-producer on Rumours and expecting the band would be fair, recognize his work and give him producing credit, but they never did.

he's said this in interviews, that many songs really should have been listed as co-writes. I can't recall if I heard it on something with RedBeard or Johnny Walker.......

elle · #12 11-02-2018, 09:12 PM

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he's said this in interviews, that many songs really should have been listed as co-writes. I can't recall if I heard it on something with RedBeard or Johnny Walker.......

oh interesting... would love to read that, i don't think i remember that. maybe after Dave Stewart co-writing credits?

maybe that's why SN didn't wanna work with him again? she worked her whole career to try to get away from the notion that his contributions to her songs made them great... she was not gonna go back to co-writes with him at the end, even if she needs a co-writer.

and taking it even further, maybe that's partly responsible for her "him or me" ultimatum and his sacking too. the 2 of them are always so unhealthily competitive with each other. she's finally managed getting rid of the guy who so many people seem to think is hugely responsible for her success.

cbBen · #13 11-17-2018, 05:12 PM

During an interview with Christine – 24:04-24:38: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL3pNADcsbQ

“There’s always been a kind of a loose sense of co-writership that has existed with the two of us. As someone who was producing those Fleetwood Mac albums, sometimes it’s a fine line between taking a strong hand in production and co-writing. And it may be the politics that dictate how you–you know–attribute credit for something like that. And that probably applied to Stevie as well.”