Bob Welch

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by alexsdad

Being kinda new here, and not up on past discussions....which band members were inducted, and what is the reason Bob wasn't????

Well, really, he didn't have a hit with Fleetwood Mac. Peter Green did (hence Jeremy and Danny being inducted) and, of course, the "Rumours" band did.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Kim Simmons.

Okay, I'll play......who?

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Okay, I'll play......who?

Savoy Brown's guitarist. I may have spelled his last name wrong.

[HomerMcvie]

You know, the more I think about it, the more pissed I get about Bob and the R&RHOF.
The sheer magnificance of Mystery to Me. Need I say more?

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Savoy Brown's guitarist. I may have spelled his last name wrong.

Simmonds

Of the 1,500 people who've ever claimed to be members of Savoy Brown...Kim is the only constant, the only one in EVERY incarnation of the band. Basically, Savoy Brown IS Kim Simmonds. (and how did Kim never end up in Fleetwood Mac? Seems like he'd have been the logical choice...well, either Kim or Rory Gallagher...to "replace" Peter Green, if they'd have gone that route. Wouldn't THAT have changed music history. Ok, never mind...I annoy even myself with those "what if" games.

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by alexsdad

Being kinda new here, and not up on past discussions....which band members were inducted, and what is the reason Bob wasn't????
Alex's dad

Only the Then Play On (Peter, Danny, Jeremy, Mick & John) & Rumours (Lindsey, Stevie, Christine, Mick & John) lineups were inducted.

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by chiliD

I DON'T understand the reasoning...it was an "unreasonable act" to omit Bob from induction.

Barring any conspiracy from Mick to omit Bob from this honour, I understood it to be because the band had zero hits while Bob was a member. If that's the reasoning, I understand it. I don't agree with it, because hits aren't an indication of quality nor contribution made by a member.

I have problems with this kind of institution anyway because it's so subjective. That's why maybe we shouldn't take these people so seriously. If they decide someone's better than someone else and cut a guy out of a fairly pointless honour for a fairly pointless reason, then that's just their opinion and nothing more. The downside is that it's a very public snub which isn't nice.

As for the old line-up being the Peter Green show, well OK but only up to a point. You could just as easily say the current line-up is the Stevie Nicks show. It amounts to much the same thing.

The other thing I'm wondering is how much overseas sales influence the decision on who gets in to the RnRHoF and who doesn't. Obviously the Green-era line-up were tremendously successful in the UK, far more so than any other line-up bar the Rumours band - maybe this was why Jeremy and Danny got in and Billy, Rick etc didn't. Jeremy didn't feel it to be very important anyway since he didn't show up, and I'm sure Danny couldn't have been less interested.

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

...and I'm sure Danny couldn't have been less interested.

Well, if anybody bothered to TELL him in the first place, that is.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

As for the old line-up being the Peter Green show, well OK but only up to a point. You could just as easily say the current line-up is the Stevie Nicks show. It amounts to much the same thing.

Not even close, really. Let's compare the 1971 Greatest Hits album to the 1988 Greatest Hits (NOTE: The European version of the latter album had a different track listing. Thus, I'm using the tracks from BOTH albums for this example.):


The Green Manalishi: Peter
Oh Well - Part 1: Peter
Oh Well - Part 2: Peter
Shake Your Moneymaker: Jeremy
Need Your Love So Bad: Peter
Rattlesnake Shake: Peter
Dragonfly: Danny
Black Magic Woman: Peter
Albatross: Peter
Man Of The World: Peter
Stop Messin' Round: Peter
Love That Burns: Peter
Peter = 10; Jeremy = 1; Danny = 1

Rhiannon: Stevie
Don't Stop: Christine
Go Your Own Way: Lindsey
Hold Me: Christine
Everywhere: Christine
Gypsy: Stevie
You Make Loving Fun: Christine
As Long As You Follow: Christine
Dreams: Stevie
Say You Love Me: Christine
Tusk: Lindsey
Little Lies: Christine
Sara: Stevie
Big Love: Lindsey
Over My Head: Christine
No Questions Asked: Stevie
*Seven Wonders: Stevie
*Oh Diane: Lindsey
Stevie = 6; Christine = 8; Lindsey = 4

Clearly, Peter Green was the hands-down star of his version of Fleetwood Mac, whereas the "Rumours" band was a bit more evenly divided.

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

No Questions Asked: Stevie

Sure, it was on the Greatest Hits album...but, it wasn't a hit, wasn't even the B-side of a single...nothin'.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by chiliD

Sure, it was on the Greatest Hits album...but, it wasn't a hit, wasn't even the B-side of a single...nothin'.

True, but then it's not like "Dragonfly" was a hit, either. As far as Mac songs are concerned, this may be one of the most obscure Fleetwood Mac songs ever.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by chiliD

Sure, it was on the Greatest Hits album...but, it wasn't a hit, wasn't even the B-side of a single...nothin'.

Nothin's a pretty accurate assessment, too!

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

True, but then it's not like "Dragonfly" was a hit, either. As far as Mac songs are concerned, this may be one of the most obscure Fleetwood Mac songs ever.

By "this", do you mean "Dragonfly" or "No Questions Asked"?

At least, they used to play "Dragonfly" in concert*...haven't seen a set list with "NQA" in it, yet (and doubt I ever will)


* = and the few live versions I've heard, it was better live than the studio version.


I think the winner of the "most obscure Fleetwood Mac song" would have to go to either "Purple Dancer" or "Lizard People".

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by chiliD

By "this", do you mean "Dragonfly" or "No Questions Asked"?

Either one, really.

Originally Posted by chiliD

At least, they used to play "Dragonfly" in concert*...* = and the few live versions I've heard, it was better live than the studio version.

By the same token, they used to play "Trinity" in concert,too. I'd be willing to bet that most fans who've heard the song first heard it on the Box set in 1992. The only "live" version I have of the song is the video from the "Get It On" DVD, which featured the FG/BT band. It was good, though I actually prefer the studio version, as it has more guitar throughout.

Originally Posted by chiliD

haven't seen a set list with "NQA" in it, yet (and doubt I ever will)

What I want to know is why was it included in the Very Best Of set a few years back? It's been released TWICE now, both on compilations that basically imply that this is Fleetwood Mac at their best.

Originally Posted by chiliD

I think the winner of the "most obscure Fleetwood Mac song" would have to go to either "Purple Dancer" or "Lizard People".)

Here's my top five list of officially released obscure material:

Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head Kicked In Tonight (b-side to Man Of The World)
World In Harmony (b-side to Green Manalishi, though the live version is common)
Dragonfly
Purple Dancer
Blow By Blow (1994 version)

Of course, I could also list the entire Jeremy Spencer album.

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head Kicked In Tonight (b-side to Man Of The World)
World In Harmony (b-side to Green Manalishi, though the live version is common)
Dragonfly
Purple Dancer
Blow By Blow (1994 version)

Of course, I could also list the entire Jeremy Spencer album.

SGGTHKIT: It's on Vaudeville Years...making it not so obscure.
WIH: It's on Showbiz Blues again...not as obscure as it was once.
Dragonfly: Greatest Hits (1971) not that obscure
Purple Dancer: You bet!
Blow By Blow (Soccer Rocks The Globe version, right? Yeah, I'll give you that one, too)

You gotta give me "Lizard People"...that's pretty obscure.