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Sorry. That wasn't so much directed at you as others.
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For the record, I've never particularly been a Stevie fan, but I've certainly never disliked her. So too, I've never particularly been a Lindsey fan either.
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For what it's worth, some relevant quotes from the recent unauthorized biography by Stephen Davis. Admittedly, the book seems to be a rehash of interviews and articles that have been published, so it is what it is. That being said, if, nothing else, the book seems to be meticulously researched.
Courtesy of America's most trusted news source, the New York Post. https://nypost.com/2017/11/11/lindse...d-in-new-book/ Quote:
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Well, since you and I both know it's impossible to prove a negative, the next best thing we can do is rely on rely on first-hand accounts from the principals themselves (TV/audio interviews with band members, Mick's book, etc.). Print interviews are a good source, too, since they're often based on audio-recorded interviews and verified by fact-checkers and editors.
Then there's the fact that we're lucky to be a part of a community here that has an incredible amount of institutional knowledge, dating back in some cases to the late 60s and early 70s. These people are able to and often do step in with their perspective during contentious arguments. And of course there are a few (usually quiet) folks who are more plugged in to the band's inner circle than the rest of us. Our job, as well-educated humans on this earth, is to take all of the relevant information we can find and form our beliefs based on the information available to us. Might we come to different conclusions? Sure. But when we're basing our beliefs on verifiable information, it makes for an enriching discussion for everyone involved. Where we deviate from that, allowing preconceived opinions and biases to seep into our views, the conversation devolves and nobody benefits. The reason I do not believe Lindsey, or any other member of the band, has sexually assaulted another individual is because I have never come across evidence that shows he or they did. Is it possible that that has occurred and I'm unaware of it? Yes. But is it reasonable to believe one of them has sexually assaulted someone without that evidence, though? No, it's not. That's not to say you can't have a negative opinion of Lindsey because of things he's said and done in the past. You are welcome to that view, and I'm sure it is well-founded in your mind. But to make the leap from that to sexual assault is one I am not willing to make. To me, the topic is too serious for idle, baseless speculation. |
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Don't you tell me that I wasn't a Stevie fan. HUGE FAN. That's what I was and that's a FACT!! I have every one of her albums (even the last one). I've been a fan since 1977. She has disappointed me SO many times recently that I can't do it anymore.
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If you can't do it anymore maybe the best thing is to stop talking about it. |
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It seems like there is some confusion about what the movement actually is (not by you). So here is the definition from Wikipedia: The Me Too movement (or #MeToo movement), with many local and international alternatives, is a movement against sexual harassment and sexual assault.[1][2][3] #MeToo spread virally in October 2017 as a hashtag used on social media in an attempt to demonstrate the widespread prevalence of sexual assault and harassment, especially in the workplace.[4][5] It followed soon after the sexual misconduct allegations against Harvey Weinstein.[6][7] Tarana Burke, an American social activist and community organizer, began using the phrase "Me Too" as early as 2006, and the phrase was later popularized by American actress Alyssa Milano, on Twitter in 2017. Milano and Michael Baker encouraged victims of sexual harassment to tweet about it and "give people a sense of the magnitude of the problem".[8][9] This was met with success that included but was not limited to high-profile posts from several American celebrities, including Gwyneth Paltrow,[10] Ashley Judd,[11] Jennifer Lawrence,[12] and Uma Thurman.[13] There's more, a lot more at Wikipedia but that sums it up pretty well. Last edited by gldstwmn; 10-22-2018 at 02:11 PM.. |
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You like the band as a whole or is Chris your favorite?
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I apologize if you felt that portion was directed specifically at you. I was just trying to explain my view and why I felt like this thread -- though an important topic -- is not relevant to Fleetwood Mac based on the information we all have. |
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I'd be very careful with this post, this title to it and this thread.
It smacks of allegations that could be construed as slander, and might get The Ledge in serious trouble. Just my opinion. It might be a different story to post such a thread and start a discussion if this day had brought the stunner in the Mainstream Media that actual sexual abuse/assault allegations have been filed against Lindsey Buckingham. Otherwise it may be wise to take the thread down. Also because the man has a wife and under age kids. It's one thing to "accuse" a person of being a poor friend or musician or colleague, it's a whole different ball of wax to baselessly connect that person to a movement that sprung forth in reaction to felony offenses and in that way, to be implying criminal behavior.
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I am a Fleetwood Mac fan- all eras.
I own most Stevie albums but not all. I find it hard to listen to too much Stevie at a stretch. I own most Lindsey albums but not all. I find it hard to listen to too much Lindsey at a stretch. I am/was mostly a Christine fan.
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'Where words fail, music speaks' Mick Fleetwood Last edited by FuzzyPlum; 10-22-2018 at 02:46 PM.. |
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Originally Posted by Sugar Mouse View Post Probably yes. Most of the Lindsey loving Stevie haters on this forum haven't read Carol Ann Harris' book "Storms which you cited in your post. If they read the book, they might have a better understanding of why a band decides enough is enough and it's best to move on and bring in new band members in order to create a peaceful, happy work environment. Quote:
FuzzyPlum, thank you for summarizing it for Sugar Mick. |
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